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Date: Thu Dec 15 14:52:39 2005
From: eric.stoltz at taji.sig54.army.mil (Stoltz, Eric CIV)
Subject: [U] RE: a call for full-disclosure to become a

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I like that idea.  I went through the lists I read the most (a lot of them
not IT related) and found that the ones that I spend the most time reading
are the ones that get interesting in a while.  On a list where 75% of the
vulnerabilities don't relate to my situation I find myself wanting to stop
reading it.  Then n3td3vGATE comes along.  It keeps me reading and as such I
notice some open holes in my systems that are announced and can patch/work
around them.  I am definitely for the TAGs for sorting procedures as it puts
the choice of reading into the members' hands.

Just my 2 cents 

Eric Stoltz
Network Administrator
Camp Taji, Iraq

Reality.sys corrupted reboot universe (Y/N)?_

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Xyberpix
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:35 PM
To: mis@...den.com; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; 'Todd Towles'
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] a call for full-disclosure to become a

I have to agree on this one that I don't think that moderation is the way to
go.
This is a damn good list, with a load of really intelligent people on it, who
really contribute a lot to the entire community.
Just because a few of us got outta hand taking the piss out of n3td3v, it's
no need to moderate the list. I know that I am guilty on this count, but
seriously anyone who hasn't had a good laugh in regard to the whole n3td3v
saga recently, probably doesn't have a sense of humor.

Maybe when taking the piss out of idiots we should come up with some sort of
fronting for the subject? Kinda like [OT], or maybe in this case [n3td3v],
that way people can easily setup procmail filters and the like to filter out
the stuff that the don't want to. If we all agree on some sort of format,
this could really work. This way the list will stay unmodded, people will get
out of it what they want, and we can still take the piss?

Thoughts, comments, etc?

xyberpix

On Thu Dec 15 14:27 , 'Todd Towles' <toddtowles@...okshires.com> sent:

> 
>> it seems to me that without a moderator (since there is the apparent 
>> absence of people who are moderate, or even civilized), this list 
>> will continue its degeneration into a never-ending pissing contest.
>
>True, but it has always been that way....you must be new ;) In the last 
>month has it been getting worse, I agree.
>
>> (some people don't seem to think that the social compact one accepts 
>> when joining a list applies to them.
>
>Some people don't think...
>
>> how many people who actually find value in this list (which i have, 
>> since len rose set it up quite a long time ago) agree with this 
>> position?
>
>Member banning should always be an option, but this list might as well 
>become Bugtraq...if you want moderation. The openness of the list is 
>what makes it a different list. Why change FD, when there are at least 
>a hundred moderated security list, you can join? Even a moderated FD 
>list already exist, I think. I think you would be in the minority on 
>this call..
>
>> if you think there's a compelling reason for no moderation, i'd like 
>> to hear it.
>
>Moderation slows and restricts information. If you rather a moderator 
>pick what is important to you and your company..there are list you can 
>join.
>
>-Todd
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