Date: Mon Dec 19 14:12:36 2005
From: mrceconnor at bellsouth.net (mrceconnor@...lsouth.net)
Subject: Please read. I feel this is important.

I made a mistake in the way I first sent this reply. I meant for it to go to 
the list "which it did on my right way of posting to it" this is an e-mail 
of
support. I'm known for my use of words and the lack of some being able 
understanding how I feel. I'm just a plain straight to the point dude. And 
that is the way I would like the list to be!

so for future reference I need to just put the FD mail address in the to: 
part of my mails to the list?

Gene C.
UPDATED/SCUM of Florida
In Memory of my little brother
http://genec-lori.com/

Genes-Computers Inc.
Yulee ,Fl
Established 1981, Microsoft OEM Registered member, system builder & Active 
registered Microsoft Partner
Active Charter Partner of The Association of System Builders and Integrators
If you think you're beaten, Then you are!
If you give up the fight, Accept it !!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Pearson" <Ed@...tymail.co.uk>
To: <mrceconnor@...lsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Please read. I feel this is important.


Gene,
First of all, thank you for replying to me and not the list. However,
I'm finding it difficult to decipher weather   or of disagreement. This is 
not an insult toward your grammar,
I'm genuinely having trouble understanding.

Could you please state (just for my own peace of mind) weather you agree
with my point of view?

Edward Pearson - IT Engineer
t:  08708518188
f:  08707947943
m: 07729155751
w: www.unitymail.co.uk
9 Fishers Estate | Wiggenhall Road | Watford | Hertfordshire | WD18 0FN

-----Original Message-----
From: mrceconnor@...lsouth.net [mailto:mrceconnor@...lsouth.net]
Sent: 19 December 2005 13:44
To: Edward Pearson
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Please read. I feel this is important.

I know that you ask for us to not post a reply to this. And please
excuse me
for doing so! But, to me this is one of the few mails that I have
received
from this list in over a month that was. Please excuse my use of words
here.
WORTH A SHIT ! I'm a security junkie. I'm not as smart as most of you
all.
That is why when I found this list while searching the net. I felt I had

found a single mailing list that would suit ALL my needs alone with the
Secunia Security Advisories I have had for years.

At first I was amazed from the Great info from security brains as you
all
seem to have! And then the list turned to shit for one member " I won't
state his name" was able to control some of you all by his posting. In
other
words he had made you all his man toys. and he proved this by the way
you
all keep posting back to in courgeing the WAY off list topics. when it
would
have been just as easy to delete the post or set up a trash rule for
them?
But, no you had to fill this list and my inbox with your childish
replies.
didn't you all see that he was getting his rocks off. from the way he
was
able to control you all?

Now, as this posted did. I didn't waste my time reading any of you all
about
American politics . Why because if this topic doesn't have anything to
do
with world security. It belongs on a site that deals with this topic.
alone
with the subject of religion or whatever the off list security topics
ARE !
I don't think this list needs a mommy to keep it on topic. I think every
one
needs to buy a keyboard with a del key and learn to make mail rules. And

quit letting the world see you all acting like kindergarden or pre
school
little boys trying to prove you have a bigger set of balls. and just
can't
let it go. It takes a bigger man to not reply. then to make a ass out of

himself to this list and the world!

these comments were made by a member that supports 110% free speech by
the
info on my website. But, could you all Please go back to being the webs
best
security info list I'm on!

Gene C.
UPDATED/SCUM of Florida
In Memory of my little brother
http://genec-lori.com/

Genes-Computers Inc.
Yulee ,Fl
Established 1981, Microsoft OEM Registered member, system builder &
Active
registered Microsoft Partner
Active Charter Partner of The Association of System Builders and
Integrators
If you think you're beaten, Then you are!
If you give up the fight, Accept it !!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Pearson" <Ed@...tymail.co.uk>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:23 AM
Subject: [Full-disclosure] Please read. I feel this is important.


People,
Please read all of this and take note. It'll take two minutes of your
time.

When I opened my e-mail this morning, and jumped to the FD folder, what
is saw was the straw that broke the camels back.

Of the 300(ish) e-mails I got today, Almost all were titled, "A small
editorialaboutrecentevents", which is basically some of the people on
this list arguing about American politics (from what I can glean from
the e-mail I did read).

Of few remaining e-mails there was one, and only 1 security related
topic.

This is not why this list was created. To have one e-mail on topic and
the rest I can only class as spam. On such a respected list, that I have
been a keen subscriber to for years.

THIS IS A LIST FOR SECURITY, NOT FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO DISCUSS
WHATS WRONG WITH THEIR COUNTRY; WE'RE BORED OF HEARING ABOUT YOU IN THE
REAL NEWS, TRY AND KEEP IT OUT OF FULL-DISCLOSURE.

This is not what the list was designed for and believe me the people
making these stupid topics are the ones with the least to bring to the
table. Those people who have something to offer, will be driven away
(this is happening already) and soon, the list will die.

I've seen calls for moderation, and people discussing ways of pruning
out the problem posts. All these topics turned into a complete farce,
becoming what they hoped to stop.

We must strive to keep this list alive and make is as important and
respected as it once was (Those who have been around a while will
remember internet-wide ripple that could be caused by that one mail to
the list.)

The list literally has toppled major corporations and changed the views
and opinions of many of the most important people on the internet.

Even before computing became a big part of my life, before I'd ever used
a M$ product I had heard of FD.

So people please, even if what you post is good information. Stop for a
few seconds and think. Is this security related? When somebody sees this
on Full-Disclosure, will there be any doubt of its relevance?

To save myself becoming a complete hypocrite, I'd like to ask that
nobody reply to this, just make sure you read and take note. Even if you
disagree.

Edward Pearson - IT Engineer
t:  08708518188
f:  08707947943
m: 07729155751
w: www.unitymail.co.uk
9 Fishers Estate | Wiggenhall Road | Watford | Hertfordshire | WD18 0FN

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