Date: Mon Dec 19 15:30:11 2005
From: Ed at unitymail.co.uk (Edward Pearson)
Subject: Please read. I feel this is important.

I hate to do exactly what I asked you guys not to

However for me this sums it all up. This is an e-mail I received this
morning from somebody (no names mentioned) on the list

[direct quote]
Sorry man I just wanted some traffic besides netdev,

so long as he doesnt post, I will keep mailings restricted to security
related hoop-a-ma-joop,

but I have a plan to douse netdev infosec bofh and the like by using the
only thing that is guaranteed generates more responses than
trolling: american political rhetoric

sorry for the inconvienence
[/direct quote]

The guy who sent this has missed the point entirely...

I'll shut up about this now, but please understand, this isn't the
solution, this is the problem.

Best Wishes.

Edward Pearson - IT Engineer
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-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Edward
Pearson
Sent: 19 December 2005 12:24
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: [Full-disclosure] Please read. I feel this is important.

People,
Please read all of this and take note. It'll take two minutes of your
time.

When I opened my e-mail this morning, and jumped to the FD folder, what
is saw was the straw that broke the camels back.

Of the 300(ish) e-mails I got today, Almost all were titled, "A small
editorialaboutrecentevents", which is basically some of the people on
this list arguing about American politics (from what I can glean from
the e-mail I did read).

Of few remaining e-mails there was one, and only 1 security related
topic.

This is not why this list was created. To have one e-mail on topic and
the rest I can only class as spam. On such a respected list, that I have
been a keen subscriber to for years.

THIS IS A LIST FOR SECURITY, NOT FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO DISCUSS
WHATS WRONG WITH THEIR COUNTRY; WE'RE BORED OF HEARING ABOUT YOU IN THE
REAL NEWS, TRY AND KEEP IT OUT OF FULL-DISCLOSURE.

This is not what the list was designed for and believe me the people
making these stupid topics are the ones with the least to bring to the
table. Those people who have something to offer, will be driven away
(this is happening already) and soon, the list will die.

I've seen calls for moderation, and people discussing ways of pruning
out the problem posts. All these topics turned into a complete farce,
becoming what they hoped to stop.

We must strive to keep this list alive and make is as important and
respected as it once was (Those who have been around a while will
remember internet-wide ripple that could be caused by that one mail to
the list.)

The list literally has toppled major corporations and changed the views
and opinions of many of the most important people on the internet.

Even before computing became a big part of my life, before I'd ever used
a M$ product I had heard of FD.

So people please, even if what you post is good information. Stop for a
few seconds and think. Is this security related? When somebody sees this
on Full-Disclosure, will there be any doubt of its relevance?

To save myself becoming a complete hypocrite, I'd like to ask that
nobody reply to this, just make sure you read and take note. Even if you
disagree.

Edward Pearson - IT Engineer
t:  08708518188
f:  08707947943
m: 07729155751
w: www.unitymail.co.uk 	 	
9 Fishers Estate | Wiggenhall Road | Watford | Hertfordshire | WD18 0FN	

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