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Date: Tue Apr 25 19:29:33 2006
From: bart.lansing at hushmail.com (bart.lansing@...hmail.com)
Subject: What is wrong with schools these days?

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You have to love it when totally clueless individuals leap into a
thread without reading enough of it to form anything but a knee-
jerk opinion...which is almost always ill-informed and incorrect,
however occasionally amusing.

Zap, clearly you fall into the above category...CrYpTic isn't an
admin/box owner who got owned or is worrying about his own systems
getting owned.  He has no boxes of his own that are germain to this
thread...except the PC he used to send the mail. Thanks for
playing, though.


On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:54:57 -0500 zap zoid <zoidenator@...il.com>
wrote:
>Since when is Zone-H an authoritative source.
>
>For Pauls next trick, he'll have you all believing that President
>Bush is a
>genius.
>
>Paul, maybe for CrYpTic the statement holds true. Do you know him
>personally? Have your broken into any of his linux boxen? Maybe he

>doesn't
>run linux but rather HPUX, IRIX, Solaris, OpenSolaris or even
>Windows.
>
>Just because your users are idiots doesn't mean CrYpTic is an
>idiot.
>
>You seem overly agitated today, are you getting ready to launch an

>attack?
>
>
>
>On 4/25/06, Paul Schmehl <pauls@...allas.edu> wrote:
>>
>> CrYpTiC MauleR wrote:
>> > All you had to say was Microsoft =oP
>> >
>> That's hilarious.  The number one defaced website OS is Linux.
>(See
>> Zone-H.org if you don't believe me.)
>>
>> The number one problem I have here is unix boxes.  You know why?
>> Because a lot of open-source bozos run around claiming unix is
>more
>> secure than Windows.  So a lot of clueless people think that, if

>they
>> just set up a RedHat box, they won't have anything to worry
>about.
>>
>> Ask them what that little red ball with the X in it is - you
>know - the
>> one flashing up there in the taskbar- and they'll say I dunno.
>>
>> No OS is secure by default.  No OS can remain secure if it's not
>> properly configured and maintained.  Look at your box right now.

> How
>> many of you have inetd or xinetd running?  Why?  What services
>does it
>> provide that you need?  Do you even know what chargen or
>rpc.statd is?
>> If not, why are they running (if they are)?  How many of you
>have a
>> workstation running with more than just ssh enabled and *no*
>firewall
>> running?
>>
>> You name the OS, and I can tell you of at least one incident of
>hacking.
>>   We haven't had a Windows box hacked in a long time.  The last
>five
>> were two Macs and three RedHat boxes.  Does that mean Macs and
>RedHat
>> are insecure?  NO!  It means, until the general public
>understands the
>> problem and knows what the solution is, hacking will continue
>apace with
>> no sign of letting up.
>>
>> The real problem is ignorance.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Schmehl (pauls@...allas.edu)
>> Adjunct Information Security Officer
>> The University of Texas at Dallas
>> http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
>>
>>
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