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Date: Tue Apr 25 19:59:05 2006
From: bill.stout at greenborder.com (Bill Stout)
Subject: What is wrong with schools these days?

You know, having made a few NTexploit lists in the past, I wanted to
make the point the M$ was less secure.  Unfortunately the facts were
against me.

Two IIS 6.0 vulnerabilities reported from 2003-2006 
http://secunia.com/product/1438/ 
Twenty-eight Apache 2.0 vulnerabilities reported from 2003-2006
http://secunia.com/product/73/

Paul is right.

I would never suggest a Windows admin use UNIX, or visa-versa.  A
product is only as secure as it's configured.

Bill Stout
www.greenborder.com

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Paul
Schmehl
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:27 AM
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What is wrong with schools these days?

CrYpTiC MauleR wrote:
> All you had to say was Microsoft =oP
> 
That's hilarious.  The number one defaced website OS is Linux.  (See 
Zone-H.org if you don't believe me.)

The number one problem I have here is unix boxes.  You know why? 
Because a lot of open-source bozos run around claiming unix is more 
secure than Windows.  So a lot of clueless people think that, if they 
just set up a RedHat box, they won't have anything to worry about.

Ask them what that little red ball with the X in it is - you know - the 
one flashing up there in the taskbar- and they'll say I dunno.

No OS is secure by default.  No OS can remain secure if it's not 
properly configured and maintained.  Look at your box right now.  How 
many of you have inetd or xinetd running?  Why?  What services does it 
provide that you need?  Do you even know what chargen or rpc.statd is? 
If not, why are they running (if they are)?  How many of you have a 
workstation running with more than just ssh enabled and *no* firewall 
running?

You name the OS, and I can tell you of at least one incident of hacking.

  We haven't had a Windows box hacked in a long time.  The last five 
were two Macs and three RedHat boxes.  Does that mean Macs and RedHat 
are insecure?  NO!  It means, until the general public understands the 
problem and knows what the solution is, hacking will continue apace with

no sign of letting up.

The real problem is ignorance.

-- 
Paul Schmehl (pauls@...allas.edu)
Adjunct Information Security Officer
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/