full-disclosure - Responsibility

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Message-ID: <75BAA28ABDE34841829819E08E31A995AF0594@hsdwdc04.hsdwdc.com>
Date: Thu May 25 17:27:18 2006
From: sforrest at hsdwdc.com (Scott Forrest)
Subject: Responsibility

I guess I should have been more constructive. I apologize. This is a
quite a bit off-topic.

I would think it would be a matter of negligence if the previous IT
Consultant setup wireless access for Hotel Customers to use that also
had direct access to the Hotel's network in some way that a virus could
jump to their business servers. That just doesn't sound like "sound" or
"secure" planning.

Scott Forrest
IT Manager 
Hobbs, Straus, Dean & Walker, LLP
2120 L St. NW - Suite 700
Washington, D.C. 20037
202.822.8282 ext.326
sforrest@...wdc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Scott
Forrest
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:24 AM
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Responsibility

My question would be why the previous IT staff didn't put the customer
access on a different leg than the actual business network? A simple
VLAN or something to keep the two separate so something like that
wouldn't happen.

Scott Forrest
IT Manager
Hobbs, Straus, Dean & Walker, LLP
2120 L St. NW - Suite 700
Washington, D.C. 20037
202.822.8282 ext.326
sforrest@...wdc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of <...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:08 AM
To: Greg; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Responsibility

unfortunately if there is a paper signed by both parties "per
acceptance" of the hotel (it is usually part of the buying/lease
contract), and that includes also the IT stuff, there's nothing to
do....
a good lawyer could help on this, rather than security experts....
and, by the way, if something like this happens there's no easy way to
say you've done the utmost to lock down the customer...

just my .02?c (that's 20% more that in $)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg" <full-disclosure3@...andyman.com.au>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:05 AM
Subject: [Full-disclosure] Responsibility

Large motel/hotel chain I recently acquired wants to sue previous
company who did their I.T. work for them as a customer's wifi connected
machine infected their network and caused loss of booking data thus
money.

My question then is - if you have done the utmost to lock down your
customer but someone connects an infected machine and somehow it gets
in, is the customer right in suing you? Eg, like a car mechanic, you do
the best but you cannot be 100% sure that something else that was never
a problem will now cause a problem (such as a new exploit in our case
that wasn't known generally until 24 hours ago). Should you be sued at
that point?

Wondering whether to dump the guy at this point.

Thanks.

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