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Message-ID: <C0C2FD87.20C8F%ltr@isc.upenn.edu>
Date: Sat Jun 24 19:35:57 2006
From: ltr at isc.upenn.edu (David Taylor)
Subject: Amazon, MSN vulns and.. Yes, we know!
	Mostsites have vulnerabilities

I surely didn't intend for this thread to end up going in the direction it
did.  I was basically just trying to say I am concerned with the numerous
advisory/exploit release on the same day.  No matter what the reason.  And
perhaps there still isn't a definition of 0-day that everyone agrees on.  I
basically understand it the way wikipedia has it listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0-day
Zero-day exploits are released on the same day the vulnerability ? and,
sometimes, the vendor patch ? are released to the public. The term derives
from the number of days between the public advisory and the release of the
exploit. The term 'zero-day exploits' is sometimes (mis)used to indicate
publicly known exploits for which no patches yet exist.

If I see Secunia release an initial advisory which has a link to the exploit
on the  Milw0rm site I consider that a 0-day exploit.  Maybe I am not
looking at it correctly?

In any case, I think MW may have taken my post as an attack on Milw0rm but
that isn't how I meant it to be.

On 6/24/06 2:13 PM, "Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu" <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu>
wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:45:47 EDT, Jason said:
>> You have a lot of nerve! It was not too long ago that I recall you being
>> the clueless one on the FD list.
> 
> Aye.. that he was, as we all were at one time (myself included, even if that
> phase *did* predate the creation of FD by more than 2 decades).  However,
> Morning has had enough sense to pay attention and acquire at least some
> clue...
> 
> Having said that, I'll posit that Morning is right - Milw0rm is a site well
> known enough that *by definition* an exploit showing up there moves it from
> '0-day' to 'just another damned unpatched vuln'. After all, 0-day means "an
> unknown exploit you can't defend against because you've never seen it".  Which
> is hardly the case for any Milw0rm exploit.
> 
> 
> 
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