full-disclosure - Re: VML Exploit vs. AV/IPS/IDS signatures

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Message-ID: <8beca820609270418k67bd8519w43658e8b5ffadf32@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:18:12 +0300
From: avivra <avivra@...il.com>
To: karmic_nirvana@...oo.com
Cc: EArsal@...hdata.de, Pukhraj Singh <pukhraj.singh@...il.com>,
	bugtraq@...urityfocus.com, full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: VML Exploit vs. AV/IPS/IDS signatures

Hi,

> i.e. I can't afford to buy "specialized" security tools/devices for
> "speclialized" attacks unless my company relies heavily on web/content
> services.

So, you will buy "specialized" security tools like firewall or
Anti-Virus, but not web content filtering tool?

> In our company, we established a information-sharing
> network with other security companies. So the real-time exploit-facing
> signatures were then subjected to live traffic, honeypots and countless
> variants; They seemed to work out pretty well.

I would like to see how your real-time signatures get updated with the
randomization implemented in the new VML metasploit module. Your
"countless" exploit variants will become really innumerable.

The problem is that the signatures are written for the exploit, and
not for the vulnerability.

-- Aviv.

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