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Message-ID: <C1D7B8B3.176B9%simon@snosoft.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:16:51 -0500
From: Simon Smith <simon@...soft.com>
To: Mario D <phisher_hunter@...oo.com>,
	Roman Medina-Heigl Hernandez <roman@...labs.com>,
	Untitled <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
Subject: Re: iDefense Q-1 2007 Challenge -I WILL BUY FOR
 MORE

Mario, 
    What Netragard is doing is in fact not nearly as naive as what you are
proposing.  In fact, what Netragard is doing will most probably help ³alarm
companies² in the future.

On 1/20/07 7:10 AM, "Mario D" <phisher_hunter@...oo.com> wrote:

> So,
>  
> Let's say I know how to bypass the alarm to your house.  Should I put it up
> for sale and not worry about who buys it or why because it is "none of my
> business"?
>  
> Its people like you who give the security profession a bad name.
>  
> Mario
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Simon Smith <simon@...soft.com>
> To: Roman Medina-Heigl Hernandez <roman@...labs.com>; Untitled
> <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
> Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:27:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] iDefense Q-1 2007 Challenge -I WILL BUY FOR
> MORE
> 
> Oh, 
>     About your ROI question, that varies per buyer. I am not usually told
> about why a buyer needs something as that's none of my business.
> 
> On 1/18/07 4:22 AM, "Roman Medina-Heigl Hernandez" <roman@...labs.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> > Simon Smith escribió:
>>> >> Amen!
>>> >>     KF is 100% on the money. I can arrange the legitimate purchase of >>>
most
>>> >> working exploits for significantly more money than iDefense, In some
>>> cases
>>> >> over $75,000.00 per purchase. The company that I am working with has a
>>> >> relationship with a legitimate buyer, all transactions are legal. If
>>> you're
>> > 
>> > <naive>
>> > 
>> > I was wondering which kind of (legal) enterprises/organizations would pay
>> > $75000 for a simple (or not so simple) exploit.
>> > - governmental organizations (defense? DoD? FBI? ...)
>> > - firms offering high-profiled pen-testing services?
>> > - ... ?
>> > 
>> > What about the ROI for such investment?
>> > 
>> > </naive>
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > -Roman
>> > 
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