full-disclosure - Re: Rutkowska faces '100% undetectable malware' challenge, teasing?

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Message-ID: <EF4B83E96E0F384D805FC658E2D164AE48EE76@TUS1XCHCLUPIN12.enterprise.veritas.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:04:24 -0700
From: "Peter Ferrie" <pferrie@...antec.com>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Rutkowska faces '100% undetectable malware'
	challenge, teasing?

The problem is that she wants the money upfront, in order to develop the 100% undetectable thing that she doesn't have right now.  So that's a problem.

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From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk on behalf of Trey Keifer
Sent: Sat 6/30/2007 1:39 PM
To: Bipin Gautam
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure]Rutkowska faces '100% undetectable malware' challenge, teasing?

Joanna has stated her technical requirements for the challenge and Thom and group has accepted them, so why not turn this into what it really is... a bet.

The losing team agrees to pay the other $350,000 - if both groups are really so confident there shouldn't be any issue. 

On 6/30/07, Bipin Gautam <gautam.bipin@...il.com> wrote: 

	hi guys,

	ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=334

	so are they teasing by making her the impossible challenge at this date? :)

	honeypot developers have been trying to battle the same issue of 
	making the virtual machine emulate guest OS like the it is run in real
	hardware since some years now.

	ref: http://handlers.sans.org/tliston/ThwartingVMDetection_Liston_Skoudis.pdf 

	But if Rutkowska or anyone is able to succeed to make it undetectable
	in current hardware that would be genius!

	-bipin

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