Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:48:18 -0400
From: "David Maynor" <dave@...atasec.com>
To: <joey.mengele@...hmail.com>, <andre@...rations.net>, <lmh@...o-pull.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, fuzzing@...testar.linuxbox.org,
	dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
Subject: Re: [fuzzing] The truth

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Obviously you don't read his blog then, where he can't spell anything or use grammar correctly. 

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joey Mengele [mailto:joey.mengele@...hmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:44 AM
To: joey.mengele@...hmail.com; andre@...rations.net; lmh@...o-pull.com; David Maynor
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; fuzzing@...testar.linuxbox.org; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] [fuzzing] The truth

The real David would know that the quotation marks go around 
"David" and not "real". I am good friends with the real David and 
have never once seen him misuse quotations as was done here. QED, 
impostor.

J

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:38:36 -0400 David Maynor 
<dave@...atasec.com> wrote:
>Guess the proof will be if the "real" David doesn't complain or 
>refute these claims.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joey Mengele [mailto:joey.mengele@...hmail.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:36 AM
>To: joey.mengele@...hmail.com; andre@...rations.net; lmh@...o-
>pull.com; David Maynor
>Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; 
>fuzzing@...testar.linuxbox.org; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
>Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] [fuzzing] The truth
>
>Well "David", you clearly have not followed the life and times of 
>the Doctor. The Great Doctor (I am not referring to myself here) 
>has also been impersonated by hackers who cleverly used PGP to 
>fool 
>the masses. I talked to Neal about this and he has told me he 
>suspects PGP has been cracked. 
>
>So yes, PGP is good, but the only real evidence one can provide as 
>proof of identity are pictures of his or her own butt as Jarod 
>DeMott has previously offered up on this list.
>
>So "David", wheres the REAL proof?
>
>J
>
>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:27:18 -0400 David Maynor 
><dave@...atasec.com> wrote:
>>I am going to guess it has something to do with the pgp 
>signature, 
>>I can post from dave@...atasec.com and I can update the erratasec 
>>blog. 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Joey Mengele [mailto:joey.mengele@...hmail.com] 
>>Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:16 AM
>>To: andre@...rations.net; lmh@...o-pull.com; David Maynor
>>Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; 
>>fuzzing@...testar.linuxbox.org; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [fuzzing] The truth
>>
>>But what does Dr. Neal Krawetz have to say? I will not draw any 
>>conclusions until he has the time to analyze the writing samples. 
>>As Neal has taught us, the students of Full Disclosure, there is 
>>no 
>>validation required for online impersonation [1]. How do we know 
>>you are not impersonating this David Maynor character?
>>
>>More importantly, and of equal relevance to this list (these 
>>lists?), how can we be sure you aren't n3td3v? Or GOBBLES? Or 
>both?
>>
>>J
>>
>>[1] http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/441
>>
>>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:36:49 -0400 David Maynor 
>><dave@...atasec.com> wrote:
>>>http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2007/07/i-am-not-lmh.html
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-
>>>disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
>>>andre@...rations.net
>>>Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:15 AM
>>>To: Lance M. Havok
>>>Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; 
>>>fuzzing@...testar.linuxbox.org; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [fuzzing] The truth
>>>
>>>Dave / LMH / whatever,
>>>
>>>Give up.
>>>
>>>You really don't get it, do you?
>>>
>>>Rouland, Ptacek, hdm, myself - we're all out to get you.
>>>Infosecsellout is a collaborative effort to drive you insane.
>>>
>>>Aitel even wrote that script just to make you more paranoid.
>>>
>>>If anyone actually cares that you used two identities online I'll
>>>really be surprised.  So did my grandma.
>>>
>>>Is this some kind of story?  A confession?  A bug report?  Your 
>>>whole
>>>paragraph about SILC leads nowhere - it doesn't make any sense.
>>>
>>>Ptacek, hdm, myself, et al - we all know who Infosecsellout is.  
>>>Not
>>>because we wrote clever scripts that do user fingerprinting via
>>>behavorial statistical analysis.  Think of it more like hearing 
>>the
>>>voice of an old friend call you on the phone.  Someone you 
>haven't
>>>heard from in awhile.  Easy to identify, correct?
>>>
>>>Wait, why am I asking you? - that's probably never going to 
>>happen 
>>>to you.
>>>
>>>dre
>>>
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