Message-Id: <20070719145126.37684C381F@mailserver10.hushmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:51:15 -0400
From: "Joey Mengele" <joey.mengele@...hmail.com>
To: <joey.mengele@...hmail.com>, <andre@...rations.net>, <lmh@...o-pull.com>,
	<dave@...atasec.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, fuzzing@...testar.linuxbox.org,
	dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
Subject: Re: [fuzzing] The truth

Yeah he is pretty dumb lol.

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:48:18 -0400 David Maynor 
<dave@...atasec.com> wrote:
>Obviously you don't read his blog then, where he can't spell 
>anything or use grammar correctly. 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joey Mengele [mailto:joey.mengele@...hmail.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:44 AM
>To: joey.mengele@...hmail.com; andre@...rations.net; lmh@...o-
>pull.com; David Maynor
>Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; 
>fuzzing@...testar.linuxbox.org; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
>Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] [fuzzing] The truth
>
>The real David would know that the quotation marks go around 
>"David" and not "real". I am good friends with the real David and 
>have never once seen him misuse quotations as was done here. QED, 
>impostor.
>
>J
>
>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:38:36 -0400 David Maynor 
><dave@...atasec.com> wrote:
>>Guess the proof will be if the "real" David doesn't complain or 
>>refute these claims.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Joey Mengele [mailto:joey.mengele@...hmail.com] 
>>Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:36 AM
>>To: joey.mengele@...hmail.com; andre@...rations.net; lmh@...o-
>>pull.com; David Maynor
>>Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; 
>>fuzzing@...testar.linuxbox.org; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
>>Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] [fuzzing] The truth
>>
>>Well "David", you clearly have not followed the life and times of 
>>the Doctor. The Great Doctor (I am not referring to myself here) 
>>has also been impersonated by hackers who cleverly used PGP to 
>>fool 
>>the masses. I talked to Neal about this and he has told me he 
>>suspects PGP has been cracked. 
>>
>>So yes, PGP is good, but the only real evidence one can provide 
>as 
>>proof of identity are pictures of his or her own butt as Jarod 
>>DeMott has previously offered up on this list.
>>
>>So "David", wheres the REAL proof?
>>
>>J
>>
>>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:27:18 -0400 David Maynor 
>><dave@...atasec.com> wrote:
>>>I am going to guess it has something to do with the pgp 
>>signature, 
>>>I can post from dave@...atasec.com and I can update the 
>erratasec 
>>>blog. 
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Joey Mengele [mailto:joey.mengele@...hmail.com] 
>>>Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:16 AM
>>>To: andre@...rations.net; lmh@...o-pull.com; David Maynor
>>>Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; 
>>>fuzzing@...testar.linuxbox.org; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [fuzzing] The truth
>>>
>>>But what does Dr. Neal Krawetz have to say? I will not draw any 
>>>conclusions until he has the time to analyze the writing 
>samples. 
>>>As Neal has taught us, the students of Full Disclosure, there is 
>>>no 
>>>validation required for online impersonation [1]. How do we know 
>>>you are not impersonating this David Maynor character?
>>>
>>>More importantly, and of equal relevance to this list (these 
>>>lists?), how can we be sure you aren't n3td3v? Or GOBBLES? Or 
>>both?
>>>
>>>J
>>>
>>>[1] http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/441
>>>
>>>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:36:49 -0400 David Maynor 
>>><dave@...atasec.com> wrote:
>>>>http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2007/07/i-am-not-lmh.html
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-
>>>>disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
>>>>andre@...rations.net
>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:15 AM
>>>>To: Lance M. Havok
>>>>Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; 
>>>>fuzzing@...testar.linuxbox.org; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [fuzzing] The truth
>>>>
>>>>Dave / LMH / whatever,
>>>>
>>>>Give up.
>>>>
>>>>You really don't get it, do you?
>>>>
>>>>Rouland, Ptacek, hdm, myself - we're all out to get you.
>>>>Infosecsellout is a collaborative effort to drive you insane.
>>>>
>>>>Aitel even wrote that script just to make you more paranoid.
>>>>
>>>>If anyone actually cares that you used two identities online 
>I'll
>>>>really be surprised.  So did my grandma.
>>>>
>>>>Is this some kind of story?  A confession?  A bug report?  Your 
>>>>whole
>>>>paragraph about SILC leads nowhere - it doesn't make any sense.
>>>>
>>>>Ptacek, hdm, myself, et al - we all know who Infosecsellout is. 
> 
>>>>Not
>>>>because we wrote clever scripts that do user fingerprinting via
>>>>behavorial statistical analysis.  Think of it more like hearing 
>>>the
>>>>voice of an old friend call you on the phone.  Someone you 
>>haven't
>>>>heard from in awhile.  Easy to identify, correct?
>>>>
>>>>Wait, why am I asking you? - that's probably never going to 
>>>happen 
>>>>to you.
>>>>
>>>>dre
>>>>
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