Message-ID: <41011d980710030838l42a3c049jee6ac7c6af1eb306@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:08:33 +0530
From: "crazy frog crazy frog" <i.m.crazy.frog@...il.com>
To: "worried security" <worriedsecurity@...glemail.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Life cycle of a hacker by n3td3v

netd3v,

thats a nice description of hacker life cycle.i like the different
categories you made.keep up the good work :)

On 10/3/07, worried security <worriedsecurity@...glemail.com> wrote:
>
> new-bie - hangs around web based chat: yahoo chat, msn chat. watches what
> hackers are doing, hangs about with them to befriend them and gain
> intelligence on how they hack, and ask for the tools from the people who
> make them to hack a few yahoo or msn accounts for themselves. while this
> isn't true hacker, its the beginning of a career of electronic hacking.
>
> kool-bie - has made friends with hackers who make the tools, has gained
> their trust and is welcomed into the real hacker social circles that the
> newbie wasn't socially accepted into as a newbie. koolbies are poked and
> probed and groomed, as in, if an insect is in your furr, then the real
> hackers will tell you and remove the pest irritating their skin. koolbie is
> given beta releases of the hackers tools before the newbie "general public".
>
> curious-bie - the curiousbie,now bored with what the new-bie and kool-bie
> scene had on offer, starts wanting to dismantle, the tools they've been
> using. the curiousbie starts wanting to have the popularity, respect and
> chicks the real-bies have in the scene. the curious-bie will discover a hex
> editor and start exploring the real world of infosec, may start discovering
> new things by typing catchphrases into search engines, and finding security
> news articles interesting. starts finding mailing lists to do with real
> vulnerabilies.
>
> real-bie - the real hacker, has finally been reading mailing lists and news
> articles for a while, starts thinking about linux distros, joining internet
> relay chat, joining real discussion about technical emphasis of
> vulnerabilities, wants to start hacking.
>
> true-bie - has sucessfully penetrated an online application, maybe e-mail,
> gathers intelligence, gets interested in forming views of government and
> other people who are active members of mailing lists. at this point the
> industry discovers the person, the true-bie becomes vocal on online
> communities such as lists, social media sites, and news feedback forums.
>
> student-bie - has formed strong views and believes he is right, now wants to
> make money in a career of information security. goes to collage to become
> professional. hides hacking background from student peers, feels guilty
> about being part of the underground, keeps it secret.
>
> pro-bie - graduates from university, expects a full pay and a successful
> life, ends up just working in the local supermarket, this person is highly
> skilled hacker with knowledge of ethical stardards. doesn't get the job the
> course advertised the student would get, gets frustrated about life, feels
> lost and cheated, starts acting as a security professional online anyway, to
> live the dream they never got, even though they put the sweat and tears into
> achieving their university degree. at this point the government becomes
> concerned, pro-bie sets up websites, with professional text, claming to be a
> research group, or company that'll protect companies. the pro-bie will
> release real vulnerabilities to mailing lists and will get attention
> headlines from security journalists.
>
> job-bie - has, through exposure of releasing vulnerabilities and getting
> talked about in news articles, is offered a job at a real vendor company.
> the job-bie has managed to get the job and pay the pro-bie wanted, although
> admittedly, the university years ended up being a waste of time in reality.
>
> mature-bie - has been in known named company for a while, is known as an
> expert. older and more wiser, the mature-bie may start a blog, and commentry
> made by the mature-bie is often seen in quotes in news articles, commenting
> on security incidents and other security related current affairs. the
> mature-bie is respected member of the security community, the goal of
> everyones life in the industry, the mature-bie is looked on by government,
> and the government actually listen to what the mature-bie says on his blog,
> and quotes seen in news articles. mature-bie may be invited to
> vendor-security conferences, and government meetings, and the mature-bie may
> be approached by telecom companies to consult and help develop new cutting
> edge technologies and initiatives.
>
> n3td3v
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