full-disclosure - Re: spammer wades into US Presidential race

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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:30:18 -0500
From: "John C. A. Bambenek, CISSP" <bambenek.infosec@...il.com>
To: lericksen@...global.net
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
Subject: Re: spammer wades into US Presidential race

Is this a political science list or an information security list? ;)  I
mean, I'm all for a debate about the inherent war powers of the President,
or the War Powers Act in specific, but I'm not sure that's really the point
here. ;)

On 10/29/07, Leif Ericksen <lericksen@...global.net> wrote:
>
> Either way they are doing it to advance their own agenda.
>
> bottom line that is what their lack of action is all about.  Their own
> agenda.
>
>
> --
> Leif Ericksen
> On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 12:03 -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:35:04 CDT, Leif Ericksen said:
> >
> > > Yes the president can send the troops to war.
> > > Congress is needed to declare war (the president can not do it)
> > > See the following:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States
> > >
> > > After World War II, Congress voluntarily limited its use of the power
> to
> > > declare war to issuing authorizations of force.
> >
> > Right.  And Congress wussed out and gave Bush basically a blank check
> > and hasn't gone back to change its mind.  They gave him that
> authorization.
> >
> > > Two weeks ago, during a hearing in the House International Relations
> > > committee,
> > >
> > > ****I attempted to force the committee to follow the Constitution and
> > > vote to declare war with Iraq.****
> > >
> > > COMMENT: If Ron Paul is the author of that Vote for me and I will end
> > > the war he is contradicting himself the the statement found in the
> link
> > > I have provided and just outlined.  Does that mean a lie?  Dishonesty?
> >
> > No, what he did, near as I can tell, was to tell Congress to actually
> get
> > *serious*, and if they wanted a *war* to *declare* a war, rather than
> some
> > mamby-pamby "authorization to use force".  Congress proved not to have
> > the collective cojones to Do The Right Thing.
>
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