Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:03:28 +1100
From: "XSS Worm XSS Security Information Portal"
	<cross-site-scripting-security@...worm.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, 
	"worried security" <worriedsecurity@...glemail.com>
Subject: Re: n3td3v denounces the actions of
	www.derangedsecurity.com

This is a breathtakingly candid post. for once.

thank you!


On 11/17/07, worried security <worriedsecurity@...glemail.com> wrote:
>
> On Nov 14, 2007 11:33 PM, Dan Egerstad <dan.egerstad@...il.com> wrote:
> > Do you know the powers? Powerrangers? Can they help me? Ohhh please help
> me
> > ohhh you mighty...
> >
> > I'm free, kicking and not charged for shit... don't know who you are and
> > couldn't care less but it does give something to laugh at =)
> > Go play with the other kids now
> >
> > //D
>
> At the end of the day you're the dude with the secret service
> following you everywhere you go now in real life for at least the next
> 6 /12 months or longer I would imagine.
>
> Enjoy the privacy or not as the case maybe.
>
> Sleepless nights, looking out your window every five minutes, turning
> round in the street seeing if anyones following you and generally not
> being able to trust people around you because they might be the secret
> service. Not knowing who the next phone call will be from, knowing
> everything you do on the internet is being watched by a human, every
> keystroke, every e-mail, every draft.
>
> I've been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.
>
> Its paranoia and it destroys you!!! It crushes you, this whole
> derangedsecurity.com stuff will crush you mentally if it hasn't
> already. I'm talking from experience, i've gone through these phrases
> of paranoia, it'll eat you alive.
>
> Maybe you're not feeling it yet, but it will creep up on you in a short
> while.
>
> Thats the down side to doing big hacks, the mental strain of not
> knowing if you've got away with it or not.
>
> One day you'll wish you hadn't your picture on those news articles and
> you hadn't drawn attention to yourself, it may take a few months for
> it to kick in if it hasn't already.
>
> The only reason its not already kicked in if it hasn't is you're
> young, guilible and immature, and you're still feeding off the ego
> rush of the media attention right now, but later in life it'll hit
> you!!!
>
> You're thinking "i've not been charged for shit". The possibility of a
> criminal charge is the least of the problems which comes with fame,
> being known by a large amount of people is a bad experience walking
> down the street, trying to get employed by people and generally
> operating as a normal person in life.
>
> You wonder all the time "Does he know!, "Do they know". And you get
> the people who do know, know everything about you, but you've never
> met them in your life before, and it scares you!
>
> I've been approached by people in real life who know more about me and
> what I do online than I do, it ain't nice.
>
> Strange people start being a part of your life, and you know why, but
> its never officially confirmed by anyone. The paranoia and suspicion
> destroys you.
>
> But basically you get the worlds intelligence services following you
> around from different countries with different agendas to find out
> things about you.
>
> I imagined at first it would just be one team of survallience from one
> country, but you end up having folks from a handful of countries
> following you about in everyday life. And those individual
> survallience teams aren't connected with each other. You can be
> walking down a busy high street with a crowd of folks all around you,
> you think are legitimate folks, but they are actually secret service
> from multiple countries working independently of each other, who don't
> know each other, but they all have one thing in common, they are
> following you!!!!
>
> It sent the shitters up me and it'll do the same to you.
>
> And you get the folks who have nothing to do with government following
> you around, and thats the scarist part. You get independant
> investigators following you around from the worlds security companies
> who have their own intelligence wings. The big corporations hire folks
> to do this, just for the sake of knowing intelligence about you. And
> then you just get the normal weirdos following you about who aren't a
> part of any government or private investigation company, and thats
> what is the worst part. Oh, and the random people who claim to be news
> journalists, who could actually be anyone, walking upto you, knocking
> at your door, e-mailing etc. You take the first interview, then you
> realise, that could of been anyone. It screws you up in the head
> afterwards.
>
> When you become public in the security community, its not the secret
> service which are the biggest problems, there are 100's of companies
> who follow you about because they want their own intelligence about
> you. You see all these websites that offer intelligence, who aren't
> the government but offer yahoo,google etc intelligence on folks and
> get paid for it, its not just technical intelligence they have,
> they've got folks checking up on you in real life too.
>
> who's gonna be on your tail for a while:
>
> secret services (world wide) they follow you for national security
> reasons to build a real life profile of you.
>
> security companies (world wide) they follow you to build a real life
> profile on you so they know if you're a threat to thier corporate
> dot-com customers, so they can best advise corporate security teams in
> the future should you become a repeat offender or determine if you're
> likely to be and who you meet in real life who might be part of the
> whole hacker thing with you.
>
> news journalists (world wide) they just follow you for the scoop, some
> of them announce themselves, others work undercover.
>
> freelance weirdos (world wide) these are just people who want to
> follow you about because they think they have a reason to.
>
> Enjoy it man, enjoy it. I've been there, send me a postcard won't you
> when you get there. ;) You'll be making a whole bunch of new friends
> who you think are your actual friends in the near future but they are
> all from these places!!!!!! I speak from personal experince this isn't
> a kid around, it actually happened to me. The reality and hidden
> pitfalls of being a known hacker ain't pretty.
>
> By being a known hacker, you thrown your privacy away pretty much for
> a long while.
>
> I would rather it was just the secret services following me, than all
> the other folks who come attached who want to know everything about
> your on and more disturbingly, offline activities.
>
> n3td3v
>
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