Message-ID: <6905b1570712020048t8c49b53rbf30e7a21d2e50b0@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 08:48:52 +0000
From: "pdp (architect)" <pdp.gnucitizen@...glemail.com>
To: coderman <coderman@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: authentic hackers still do it for the love
	... (was: Hell Camp: It never pays enough)

right, this is what I like to call hacker romanticism, but do you know what?
it does not work this way! only in the movies, I guess! so if you are a
hacker, if you truly believe that you are a hacker, then you will find a way
to be better off then anybody else without the need to break any laws and
without compromising your passions at all.

there is one very old Chinese saying: "find a job that you love and you will
never work for the rest of your life". Being a technically talented person
and spending your life as a poor sysadmin is plain stupid not to say
completely unnecessary. Running away from money because you think that they
will corrupt you or they will compromise your identity is also quite
retarded to say, don't you think? money are just means to an end, a tool of
trade, and sometimes this is exactly what you need in order to cross to the
next level.

hacking is not about the inner geek and the vision of the lonely cyber
worrier. hacking is about outsmarting others. it is about thinking
creatively and moreover, thinking differently. if you can hack computer
systems, then hack life. you will soon realize the the skills that you have
obtained while being a technical hacker can be applied to many other
disciplines, and these skills are more valuable then you think. collecting
the fruits of your work is the most rewarding feeling.

the problem I see is that hacking has become something that is not. the
computer security hacker circles lost the sense of creativity and turned it
into plain procedure. most, if not all, of the security vulnerabilities
discovered today are discovered due to simple rules. you do this, you run
that, you wait, you've got it. this is not hacking. given enough time,
anybody can learn that. but embracing the mindset is something that a few
can do.

btw, GC is currently running a project to show the reality of what I've juts
said. it is still in very initial stage but it will get better with the
time: hakiri.com

On Dec 2, 2007 6:28 AM, coderman <coderman@...il.com> wrote:

> On Dec 1, 2007 9:12 PM, Goebbels Amadeus <paul.goebbels@...email.hu>
> wrote:
> > ...
> > Have you ever considered your future in their hands? You've
> > been working for 50 years, your liver and kidneys start failing,
> > creating visible symptoms, stains in your skin. You can't handle
> > life in the same way anymore. For what? What have you done in
> > those 50 years but serving another man to become more wealthy
> > and over powered. The approaching day of your death and its
> > mere vision strikes you like a burning iron blade.
> > ...
> > talented youth started emerging and dedicated passionately to
> > fulfill its curiosity. Day after day, spending countless hours
> > in front of a machine. Understanding it's inner design and
> > details, breaking it apart and reassembling it the way it wasn't
> > meant to be assembled.
> >
> > [a parable of looking for filthy lucre in a trade of love, only to
> >  to discover that these dark funds have tainted the joy and
> >  purity of a process and lifestyle that once brought fulfillment]
>
> sooner or later every authentic hacker discovers that you must
> separate work from play.  when you try and mix them both you
> betray the joy and fulfillment of hacking for a paycheck, and it
> never pays enough.
>
> the ability of a person to deny and downplay this reality will
> determine their ability to abide the infosecwhore industry.
>
> as captain of their own independent ship they can insulate
> themselves from much of this whoreish taint, but sooner or
> later a labor for lucre will destroy the love.
>
> no need to preach, the authentic hacker will discover this
> on their own accord sooner or later.  it is inevitable.
>
> for those of you on the cusp of this realization and ready to
> start anew, do it.  abandon ship.  find a comfy admin or analyst
> position with decent benefits and a wage that pays the mortgage.
>
> adopt that pseudonym and rediscover the joy of hacking for its
> own sake.  the rewards are still there, worth more than a dollar
> can provide...
>
> ---
>
> as with any broad categorization there are exceptions to this rule.
> there is a minuscule minority that has found an amalgamation
> sufficiently lucrative and deeply enjoyable without compromising
> on any personal integrity.
>
> to these people i say: you lucky fucks!
> may i find such fortune one day...
>
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