Message-ID: <e9d9d4020801021541v5ceaf4eeta2ad882a12cd08bb@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:41:03 -0600
From: reepex <reepex@...il.com>
To: 31415926@...h.ai, full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Critical Vulnerability in 

So you included me in here because my name has something to do with farm
equipment? Did your message have a point?

You wrote a bunch of nonsense flattering your favorite security stars and
then attempted to flame us with one liners that did not make sense.. It
seems you are caught in between the serious posters ( since you have no
skill, you cannot post anything useful), and the trolls ( because you are
not funny or convincing ).

My version of full disclosure is calling out idiots with Cissps and Phds who
post here and think their XSS and earth shattering barragess of 0x41's makes
them security experts.

On Jan 2, 2008 10:46 AM, <31415926@...h.ai> wrote:

> Critical Vulnerability in [Full-Disclosure]
>
> The problem with full disclosure is that everyone feels the need to
> fully disclose, even when their opinion and the information they
> are purporting to impart is, well, bollocks. You can't tell them to
> shut up as they think they're important and the internet gives them
> balls of steel and verbal diarhoea, so we stumble from one tired
> flamewar to another with no useful content being published.
>
> It's embarrassing.
>
> I'm an advocate of FD as a concept. I believe that there is no such
> thing as an innocent on the internet and if you really are that
> dumb, then you deserve everything you get. FD (as one of many like-
> minded lists) forces the vendors to patch or die and eventually
> write quality code. FD (the concept, not the list) is the ultimate
> nuclear deterrent, without the mutually assured destruction lunacy.
>
> I have watched the posters to this list for some time. By far the
> vast majority are transparently kiddies, sitting on their painted-
> up laptops thinking of themselves as the techno-brats in the film
> "Hackers" and hoping to grow up to be like the guy in the film
> "Swordfish". They write in l33t5p34k and think that this somehow
> makes them informed. Kiddies are the lowest form of life in the
> hierarchy of information security and in the IT industry generally.
>
> You know who you are and so does everyone else. You are fools, and
> an embarrassment to the craft:
> Secreview (review of products/services you have never bought, are
> you the goatse.cz receiver?)
> Reepex (Isn't a reepex a bit of farm machinery?)
> Gobbles (A nickname for a gay male prostitute)
> Morning Wood (The holy grail of the viagra-abuser)
> Gmaggro ("high value target selection", are you completely cocking
> stupid?)
>
> Oh, the outrage.
>
> I can see it now. there will be armies of skiddies demanding that
> the l33tz hack this f@...r, spam him, pwn him, and post defamatory
> messages concerning her skills and possible employment
> opportunities for her and her mother everywhere possible. Guess
> what, kids? I don't care.
>
> No, not even a little bit. Do what you like, I could care less and
> no one else cares if you live or die tonight, you sad, acne'd
> little dewdrops.
>
> Calmed down yet?
>
> Good. I want you to consider something.
>
> The FD list consists of the following content (and what it has to
> say):
>
> Advisories by vendors (we fixed this)
> Advisories by individuals (I tested that and found this)
> Advisories by infosec organisations (we found this)
> Funnies (self explanatory)
> Opinions (this sucks, what about that?)
> Skids (I did this, aren't I great, everyone else sucks?)
> Trolls (you suck)
> Trawlers (I have something 0day to buy or sell)
>
> The top three (ie the useful content) is available in any one of a
> hundred places, the bottom three are noise. The only people
> interested in the noise are those who keep track of it for a
> living.
>
> So, consider that by posting anything in the bottom three
> categories, you are drawing the attention of those who take an
> interest in your sad efforts to destabilise the technical crutch of
> society. These people are better than you in every important way,
> and if you so much as tiptoe across one of their lines, you'll wind
> up sharing a cell with a 7ft gorilla called george with a dead
> mouse and a pressing need to dry-cornhole your ringpiece 3 times a
> night and twice on sundays. Do yourselves a favour and STFU.
>
> What's left?
>
> The funnies and the opinions. I've laughed my tits off at posts by
> Mssrs Coderman, Diggle, Dripping, VanWinkle and Mengele, and i've
> been interested by a few others who will remain nameless as I can't
> list them all. Long live full disclosure, but keep in mind that
> you're only legends in your own bedrooms.
>
> later, pi
>
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