full-disclosure - Re: fear mongering and utter BS from secnap

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Message-ID: <e9d9d4020805102057t70ceaa3ap35603a612b27e9c2@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 22:57:01 -0500
From: reepex <reepex@...il.com>
To: "don bailey" <don.bailey@...il.com>, "Robert McGuire" <rmcguire@...nap.com>,
	full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: fear mongering and utter BS from secnap

very well said :)

I guess bullshit and made up stats are acceptable since everyone else is
doing it.

On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM, don bailey <don.bailey@...il.com> wrote:

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> Robert McGuire wrote:
> | I don't believe remaining anonymous invalidates comments, just seems
> unnecessary, much like FUD.
> |
> | Can't argue with reepex, FUD is unnecessary and utterly transparent so
> you have to wonder why every company in the "industry" perpetuates it.
> It's counterproductive in fact, makes my job more difficult so were it
> up to me it wouldn't be a part of our message.
> |
> | If either of you have better insight regarding the impact, cost,
> effect of spam please share.
> |
>
> Well now that you're admitting that FUD is part of your business model
> I'm saddened that this e-mail isn't to a public mailing list. I'm sure
> many professionals would be interested in your ethics. Blaming other
> companies in the security industry is child's play and only serves
> to make you look foolish.
>
> I find it extremely laughable that you are attempting to redirect this
> discussion to "the impact, cost, effect of spam". Our focus is your
> company's blatant use of fake "facts" to push your product. Do you
> really think you're talking to adolescents? I'm not distracted by
> your shiny nickel. Either stay on topic or end the conversation.
>
> D
>
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