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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:59:10 +0100 From: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: Monthly Hands-On Meetups On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Ureleet <ureleet@...il.com> wrote: > so u just want to meet n3td3v and flogg him publically? sounds good. > I already read a conversation between Joel Esler and his buddies on #pauldotcom that this idea was in the works, accept for them it is a critical mistake, because I saved the IRC transcript to show the police if something does happen offline. Many people from the #pauldotcom channel came to me with the information that was talked about in the #pauldotcom IRC channel, that they were planning something, then this thread appear a couple weeks later, maybe some of these aliases aren't just kids and there are security professionals behind them trying to influence the system to their own advantage. People might be upset with me for speaking out for what I believe in, but Joel Esler, he post a private email I sent to the Sans handlers@...s.org into the ##security IRC channel without permission, then he made a joke about aviation security on a Sans handlers podcast, and then threats to my personal safety made by his friends in #pauldotcom, which was talked about in the public IRC channel in front of 60+ users. What they had forgotten is, n3td3v is well networked in the security community and well dug in, people brought me the information that I was being talked about in #pauldotcom. It wasn't some laze about kids, its a security professionals channel for the pauldotcom.com podcast... they hold some little grudge against me for being so outspoken on Full-Disclosure about whatever I talk about on a particular day. The transcript said they were plotting to trick n3td3v into meeting up with me, and somehow harm me physically and possibly kidnap me to a place where the general public could not see and hear and do something to n3td3v. This was a critical mistake on there part, as n3td3v is well networked and dug in, and things like that get back to me pretty quick, and if they thought I wasn't going to put it on Full-Disclosure about the threat, then they have made a mistake. A picture is building up about Joel Esler and the Sans handlers IRC circle, a very shadowy picture... this may be a joke thread by someone unrelated, nothing to do with n3td3v, but its a bit of a coincidence, but the intelligence picture is building up nicely. I'm in contact with important people and all this information is gathered by people who hang about the same IRC channels as them and the information is sent to me. He thinks Marcus Sachs is innocent, he said he knows Marcus Sachs, he wouldn't do anything like plot a false flag to influence the next administration. I laughed at how young and gullible he sounded trying to stick up for Marcus Sachs when the Youtube video is out there for anyone to watch. The #pauldotcom comments were taken seriously by n3td3v and are currently part of an investigation to make sure the comments stay comments and aren't taken any further into the offline world. The bottom line is, these Sans handlers are power hungry and political, they don't like someone like me getting in the way of their plans to artificially ramp up cyber security as a national security agenda item, as their Sans Internet Storm Center, Director, none other than Marcus Sachs said on Youtube. The Sans Internet Storm Center Director is a twat and there will be no false flags or artificially ramping up cyber security as a national security item on my watch. Each and everytime you try and ramp something up i'll post about it on Full-Disclosure, make sure the public know exactly what is going on with you guys. Arrange a meet up with n3td3v, kidnap me because im getting in the way of your plans, but at least the public will know why n3td3v was kidnapped and harmed, its because you guys had something to do with it. Joel Esler in a private IRC message with me when I questioned him about the #pauldotcom comments, he threatened me if I didn't stop posting on Full-Disclosure that something would happen to me, in the same conversation flow about the #pauldotcom comments meet up plot. I told him, and what are you going to do if I don't stop posting to Full-Disclosure? He never replied. I then said I wasn't going to stop posting to Full-Disclosure, at which point I disconnected from the IRC conversation. They, then banned the nickname "roguebot" from the #pauldotcom that they were paranoid was responsible for the conversation about the meet up with n3td3v plot had been used to get the information back to me. Cause they were paranoid that their channel was springing leaks and giving intelligence to me, they saw roguebot was using mibbit.com and were straight away paranoid about it. I knew threats were going to start happening as soon as I got in the way of their cyber plans, never mind, this e-mail exposes the true nature of the Sans handlers. I'm sure some of the handlers aren't all power hungry and I feel sorry for them getting branded with the same brush, but thats what the rogue elements of the security industry and the ISC storm center have created, im just the messenger reporting about it. Like I said, its not all the Sans handlers, but rogue elements within it, people that have been monitored on IRC by various people and private messages i've had with Joel Esler. Like any organization, there is bad apples inside each. There are bad apples inside Sans as well, plotting there way to get a bigger chunk of the power and money. I used to think, these guys are just Sans handlers, out to post helpful information on their diary, but something far bigger is going on politically and its something thats got to be kept an eye on. It all started one day when I e-mailed them and caused offense and it was later post by Joel Esler on IRC that alarm bells started ringing about the nature of some of the people who volunteer for Sans internet storm center are more sinister under the surface that can be seen on the surface. They will try and say im some kid that forgot to take his meds, but the truth is known by n3td3v, and everyone else who witnessed the comments post on #pauldotcom. Valdis is also part of the same IRC circle with the Sans handlers, so he will probably come trying to support them, as n3td3v believes he is part of the ramping up cyber security thing. They are willing to lock up Gary Mckinnon for 60 years to get power and money, then they are capable of absolutely anything. All the best, n3td3v _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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