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Message-ID: <4b6ee9310810021423p7fbf0eb5ma33c2edac373f6c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:23:19 +0100 From: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> To: n3td3v <n3td3v@...glegroups.com>, full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: Comments on: Senate bill sets guidelines for cybersecurity center Marcus Sachs has the same mentally that took us on a false pretence into Iraq with the 45 minute WMD claim, only this time its cyber security, but there is little difference in what he's doing and what was happening on the lead up to Iraq war part 2. Maybe Marcus Sachs is going to write a "dodgy dossier" as well, oh thats coming in November, they said on the Cnet News article... "The transfer of power will be one of the recommendations made by the Center for Strategic International Studies' Commission on Cybersecurity for the 44th Presidency in its report to be issued in November." http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10056047-38.html Straw says dossier was 'embarrassing' "Mr Straw said the dossier was an "embarrassment" for the government and was commissioned by Downing Street communications director Alastair Campbell." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3015272.stm Marcus Sachs is like the Alastair Campbell of cyber? http://www.google.com/search?q=dodgy+dossier http://www.google.com/search?q=45+minute+claim Little difference? Its happening all over again, but this time in cyber. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 6:19 PM, James Matthews <nytrokiss@...il.com> wrote: > I like the way you link to the wikipedia version of false. > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote: >> >> $30 million to protect themselves against a script kid who enters >> their systems with blank passwords!!! ha ha ha. Gary Mckinnon is the >> nearest they've got to an *alleged* cyber terrorist. Marcus Sachs and >> his satellite communications outage claim and bgp disruption , bull >> shit propaganda, scare-mongering, false pretencing bullshit >> propaganda, just to get $30 million, they'll be sitting their in the >> control center once its all setup and think to themselves, "now >> what?", "I think we've been had by marcus sachs", "there are no cyber >> terrorists, except these lamers on zone-h". "You mean we paid $30 >> million to protect ourselves against a bunch of script kids on >> zone-h?", "looks like we've been had!", "but what about islamic >> terrorists bringing down satellite communications and bgp >> disruption?", "oh, that was just made up bullshit by marcus sachs to >> get control of "cyber"... "in reality, we're sitting in a $30 million >> control center to monitor zone-h defacers, and low level DDoS attacks >> against scientology". "ha ha, yeah, looks like we've been fucking had, >> and we've got a presidential directive for this bullshit?", "yeah, >> looks like it bro"... "we'll need to phone call the CIA, to do another >> estonia, georgia though, towards the end of the next fiscal year, to >> make sure our leader Marcus Sachs, continues to get funding and >> power." , "we'll just repeat the same bullshit we gave them in 2008 >> about islamist terrorists". "I don't know what we'll do if obama, >> mccain decide they want to come take a tour of the cyber center and >> see what the money is really being spent on" "yeah bro, the game will >> be up then, we'll just have to put metasploit and nmap up on the main >> screen and kid onto them we're monitoring a plot to take down >> satellite communications, they'll buy that, they won't know the >> difference." "yeah bro, looks like marcus sachs has got it all worked >> out". >> "as long as we're getting paid good wages, im not complaining" "yeah >> bro, we'll go along with the story, we're getting paid enough by sachs >> to keep the misrepresentation of the facts going.", "remember though >> the CIA said hackers had darkened cities.", "oh that was just more >> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=3867 bullshit by sachs, to >> influence the media... and get the $30 million", "ha ha, i thought it >> was real too, at least securityfocus >> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/666 made it sound real.", "nah bro >> all of it, all of it was false pretencing bullshit by sachs and >> cronies, we're just here to monitor zone-h...", "no way, but--but gadi >> evron and estonia....", "nah bro, all bullshit false flag pretencing >> bullshit", "back to work then on actually entering passswords then to >> our .mil and monitoring these zone-h'ers...and 4chan'ers...", "i >> wonder who's pocket the spare $29 million of $30 million is going to >> then?" "donno bro, i just donno, probably to fund another estonia, >> georgia, or darkened city speech! to keep this whole thing floating >> and sounding believable", "ha, ha, yeah, i can't believe they told us >> to send out that fake obama sex scandal spam though,", "yeah, i don't >> think we should talk about that, its a classified secret"...."it was a >> good way to get the attention of obama,mccain though", "yeah bro, >> sweet job". >> >> Dictionary: false pretense >> >> "False representation of fact or circumstance, calculated to mislead." >> >> http://www.answers.com/topic/false-pretenses >> >> appearance, show — pretending that something is the case in order to >> make a good impression >> make-believe — the enactment of a pretense >> affectation, mannerism, pose — a deliberate pretense or exaggerated >> display >> masquerade — making a false outward show >> >> >> http://www.answers.com/topic/pretense-pretence-pretending-simulation-feigning >> >> Marcus Sachs on Youtube, talking about false pretencing the magnitude >> of the threat to get his $30 million and presidential directive: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSUPTZVlkyU >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:32 AM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote: >> > Someone has lied to someone to get $30 million: >> > >> > This is when an individual intentionally makes lies to fraudulently >> > receive money or goods. >> > www.attorneykennugent.com/library/f.html >> > >> > False pretenses or obtaining property by false pretenses is a common >> > law crime in the United States, where its statutory forms handle >> > situations ... >> > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False pretenses >> > >> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Afalse+pretenses >> > >> > (law) an offense involving intent to defraud and false representation >> > and obtaining property as a result of that misrepresentation >> > wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn >> > >> > representation of untrue facts >> > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/false pretense >> > >> > >> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&pwst=1&defl=en&q=define:false+pretense&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title >> > >> > Obtaining property be fraudulent means >> > www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/Dictionary/glossary.asp >> > >> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Afalse+pretences >> > >> > A false representation of a past or present fact made by a person who >> > knows it is false and intends that it be acted upon; >> > scromett.com/LegalDefinitions.html >> > >> > false pretense: (law) an offense involving intent to defraud and false >> > representation and obtaining property as a result of that >> > misrepresentation >> > wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn >> > >> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Afalse+pretence >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:00 AM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote: >> >> by n3td3v October 1, 2008 4:50 PM PDT >> >> >> >> $30 million to protect themselves against a false pretence? cyber >> >> security doesn't need that much investment, the folks ramping up the >> >> idea of a real life die hard 4 are living in cloud cuckoo land. there >> >> are no cyber terrorists out there, there is no threat to national >> >> security. people like marcus sachs want you to believe there is, so he >> >> can get hold of power and money in washington, but its all fantasy >> >> make-believe threats that aren't actually there in reality. >> >> >> >> >> >> http://news.cnet.com/8601-13578_3-10056047.html?communityId=2071&targetCommunityId=2071&blogId=38&tag=mncol#5012096 >> >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > -- > http://www.goldwatches.com/ > > http://www.jewelerslounge.com/ > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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