Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:31:42 +0000
From: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Two bulletins from Microsoft on Patch Tuesday

why should i respond to your off-topic personal jabs? all it would do
is start a flame war and im not into that. im performing self control
and restraint by not responding to your personal jabs, nobody on the
list wants a flame war based on personal jabs, so im not going to feed
it. im reading everything you say, im not ignoring it. if you choose
to be against me and not with me is your choice that you make, there
is nothing else for me to add on the topic.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Biz Marqee <biz.marqee@...il.com> wrote:
>
> I could care less about metasploit, all it does is help the kiddies.. but
> that doesnt mean it should be illegal. Software is knowledge and knowledge
> should be free, but that is not the issue here. The issue is that you are a
> bullshitting drug abuser who's child like demeanor wont allow him to even
> acknowledge bad things written about him. You are performing the internet
> equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "nana i cant
> hear you" in an attempt to make the situation go away.
>
> So you unknowledgable, untalented, unemployed junkie.. do you have anything
> relevant to what I asked to contribute or are you going to just ignore it
> like the pussy that you are?
>
> Also, dont try and portray yourself like a free thinking martyr... your
> opinions are just rehashed idea sparked off cnet news comments and various
> other sources of "security information". Anyone who knows even the slightest
> thing about information security knows you and your idealist views are a
> joke.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:46 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
>>
>> you seem like an hd moore/metasploit fan boy pissed off that i don't
>> respect him or like his metasploit software. n3td3v doesn't respect
>> people like the sheep do, i think for myself, have opinions about
>> other white hats that may not be in support of them. get used to it
>> bozo.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Biz Marqee <biz.marqee@...il.com> wrote:
>> > Acting like the child that he is, n3td3v continues to ignore questions
>> > posed
>> > to him. How can he be such an avid debater over the legality of things
>> > like
>> > metasploit, 0day auctions and similarly themed bullshit threads when he
>> > completely disregards drug laws? How do you intend to lobby people to
>> > listen
>> > to you when you are not a law abiding citizen yourself? You have no
>> > credibility in the eyes of the law, so don't psuedo threaten people
>> > trying
>> > to appear like you have some government backing. You have proven beyond
>> > doubt that you dont, because the government doesnt listen to drug taking
>> > internet heroes, such as yourself.
>> >
>> > So enough with the bullshit.. FUCK OFF AND DIE.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:02 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> i'm sorry that you don't agree with my heads up theory, i stand by
>> >> what i said however. i'm sure microsoft don't read full-disclosure
>> >> anyway, so you're right i'm not going to change anything. by the way,
>> >> i've noticed you haven't stopped stalking me yet, im a bit concerned
>> >> about your health. cheers.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Ureleet <ureleet@...il.com> wrote:
>> >> > first off, u arent going to get any1 2 change anything. so, lets get
>> >> > that out of the way right there.
>> >> >
>> >> > second of all, in order for u 2 prove ur point, id like 4 u to go to
>> >> > some research of how many exploits have come out during the 5 day
>> >> > period between vague-ass disclosure and patch publish.  then compare
>> >> > and contrast that against how many exploits have come out in the 24
>> >> > hours following the patch publish after people have had a chance to
>> >> > do
>> >> > bindiffs (u know what that means right white-hat?) against the
>> >> > patches.  then, take all that data, draw some charts and graphs,
>> >> > write
>> >> > a whitepaper, and present it somewhere.
>> >> >
>> >> > u know what thats called?  research.  real ppl do it.
>> >> >
>> >> > u dont.  and that is why, u suck.  ta ta.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
>> >> >> so you don't think its logical that these 5 day heads up could be
>> >> >> helping the bad guys out? right. i think the world's biggest hackers
>> >> >> could do a lot of research in 5 days. but then again n3td3v isn't
>> >> >> logical so i must be wrong. damn those drugs eh? i just asked what
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> realistic possibility was for a 5 day turn around from the day of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> heads up until a patch is released. i just thought it was bad that
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> were giving the bad guys a 5 day head start, but never mind n3td3v
>> >> >> isn't logical so i must be wrong. scraping the 5 day head start
>> >> >> isn't
>> >> >> a good idea because n3td3v isn't logical? right, i threw away 10
>> >> >> years
>> >> >> of my life to not be logical...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:20 AM, waveroad waveroad
>> >> >> <waveroad@...il.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You can be ""monitoring"" the scene since 20 years if you want to,
>> >> >>> it's not
>> >> >>> for that your point will be valuable.
>> >> >>> And actually it is not, also this is about logic.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> See you're wrong again.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Get the fuck out of here.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 2008/11/6, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> i've been monitoring the scene since 1999 so what do you mean no
>> >> >>>> experience? i make that about 10 years experience if my math is
>> >> >>>> correct.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Biz Marqee <biz.marqee@...il.com>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> > Do you even understand why people dont like you? It is because
>> >> >>>> > you
>> >> >>>> > have
>> >> >>>> > all
>> >> >>>> > these crackpot ideas but no experience to back it up. All your
>> >> >>>> > ideas
>> >> >>>> > only
>> >> >>>> > make sense from a theoretical standpoint, but in practicality
>> >> >>>> > most
>> >> >>>> > will
>> >> >>>> > fail.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
>> >> >>>> > wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> blackhats like you will always hate on me, so i just ignore the
>> >> >>>> >> negative responses i get.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
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