Message-ID: <a741a45f0811062151o6c80cad7q872de478a4ea0b7c@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:51:57 +1100
From: "Biz Marqee" <biz.marqee@...il.com>
To: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Two bulletins from Microsoft on Patch Tuesday

Nobody on the list wants YOU so I don't see how you can justify what people
want to see as your argument for not retaliating.

Ill fuck you 'til you love me, faggot.


On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:31 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:

> why should i respond to your off-topic personal jabs? all it would do
> is start a flame war and im not into that. im performing self control
> and restraint by not responding to your personal jabs, nobody on the
> list wants a flame war based on personal jabs, so im not going to feed
> it. im reading everything you say, im not ignoring it. if you choose
> to be against me and not with me is your choice that you make, there
> is nothing else for me to add on the topic.
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Biz Marqee <biz.marqee@...il.com> wrote:
> >
> > I could care less about metasploit, all it does is help the kiddies.. but
> > that doesnt mean it should be illegal. Software is knowledge and
> knowledge
> > should be free, but that is not the issue here. The issue is that you are
> a
> > bullshitting drug abuser who's child like demeanor wont allow him to even
> > acknowledge bad things written about him. You are performing the internet
> > equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "nana i cant
> > hear you" in an attempt to make the situation go away.
> >
> > So you unknowledgable, untalented, unemployed junkie.. do you have
> anything
> > relevant to what I asked to contribute or are you going to just ignore it
> > like the pussy that you are?
> >
> > Also, dont try and portray yourself like a free thinking martyr... your
> > opinions are just rehashed idea sparked off cnet news comments and
> various
> > other sources of "security information". Anyone who knows even the
> slightest
> > thing about information security knows you and your idealist views are a
> > joke.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:46 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> you seem like an hd moore/metasploit fan boy pissed off that i don't
> >> respect him or like his metasploit software. n3td3v doesn't respect
> >> people like the sheep do, i think for myself, have opinions about
> >> other white hats that may not be in support of them. get used to it
> >> bozo.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Biz Marqee <biz.marqee@...il.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Acting like the child that he is, n3td3v continues to ignore questions
> >> > posed
> >> > to him. How can he be such an avid debater over the legality of things
> >> > like
> >> > metasploit, 0day auctions and similarly themed bullshit threads when
> he
> >> > completely disregards drug laws? How do you intend to lobby people to
> >> > listen
> >> > to you when you are not a law abiding citizen yourself? You have no
> >> > credibility in the eyes of the law, so don't psuedo threaten people
> >> > trying
> >> > to appear like you have some government backing. You have proven
> beyond
> >> > doubt that you dont, because the government doesnt listen to drug
> taking
> >> > internet heroes, such as yourself.
> >> >
> >> > So enough with the bullshit.. FUCK OFF AND DIE.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:02 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> i'm sorry that you don't agree with my heads up theory, i stand by
> >> >> what i said however. i'm sure microsoft don't read full-disclosure
> >> >> anyway, so you're right i'm not going to change anything. by the way,
> >> >> i've noticed you haven't stopped stalking me yet, im a bit concerned
> >> >> about your health. cheers.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Ureleet <ureleet@...il.com> wrote:
> >> >> > first off, u arent going to get any1 2 change anything. so, lets
> get
> >> >> > that out of the way right there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > second of all, in order for u 2 prove ur point, id like 4 u to go
> to
> >> >> > some research of how many exploits have come out during the 5 day
> >> >> > period between vague-ass disclosure and patch publish.  then
> compare
> >> >> > and contrast that against how many exploits have come out in the 24
> >> >> > hours following the patch publish after people have had a chance to
> >> >> > do
> >> >> > bindiffs (u know what that means right white-hat?) against the
> >> >> > patches.  then, take all that data, draw some charts and graphs,
> >> >> > write
> >> >> > a whitepaper, and present it somewhere.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > u know what thats called?  research.  real ppl do it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > u dont.  and that is why, u suck.  ta ta.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> >> so you don't think its logical that these 5 day heads up could be
> >> >> >> helping the bad guys out? right. i think the world's biggest
> hackers
> >> >> >> could do a lot of research in 5 days. but then again n3td3v isn't
> >> >> >> logical so i must be wrong. damn those drugs eh? i just asked what
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> realistic possibility was for a 5 day turn around from the day of
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> heads up until a patch is released. i just thought it was bad that
> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> were giving the bad guys a 5 day head start, but never mind n3td3v
> >> >> >> isn't logical so i must be wrong. scraping the 5 day head start
> >> >> >> isn't
> >> >> >> a good idea because n3td3v isn't logical? right, i threw away 10
> >> >> >> years
> >> >> >> of my life to not be logical...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:20 AM, waveroad waveroad
> >> >> >> <waveroad@...il.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> You can be ""monitoring"" the scene since 20 years if you want
> to,
> >> >> >>> it's not
> >> >> >>> for that your point will be valuable.
> >> >> >>> And actually it is not, also this is about logic.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> See you're wrong again.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Get the fuck out of here.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> 2008/11/6, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> i've been monitoring the scene since 1999 so what do you mean no
> >> >> >>>> experience? i make that about 10 years experience if my math is
> >> >> >>>> correct.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Biz Marqee <
> biz.marqee@...il.com>
> >> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> > Do you even understand why people dont like you? It is because
> >> >> >>>> > you
> >> >> >>>> > have
> >> >> >>>> > all
> >> >> >>>> > these crackpot ideas but no experience to back it up. All your
> >> >> >>>> > ideas
> >> >> >>>> > only
> >> >> >>>> > make sense from a theoretical standpoint, but in practicality
> >> >> >>>> > most
> >> >> >>>> > will
> >> >> >>>> > fail.
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com
> >
> >> >> >>>> > wrote:
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> blackhats like you will always hate on me, so i just ignore
> the
> >> >> >>>> >> negative responses i get.
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
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