Message-ID: <4960DDD3.6010300@buanzo.com.ar>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:03:31 -0200
From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>
To: Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The war in Palestine

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yeah, yeah..

Avraham Schneider wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
> <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar <mailto:buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>> wrote:
> 
> Oh come on, who gives a real fuck... god doesn't exist anyway.
> Religion is an excuse to dominate
> simple minds.
> 
>> At least 178 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry
>> have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all individual
>> recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% of all
>> US recipients2 during the same period.  In the scientific research
>> fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the corresponding
>> world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively.  (Jews currently
>> make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of the US
>> population.)
> 
>> Considering Jews are testifying to the existence of G-d - I would say it
>> is hard to make your claim under these results...
> 
> 
> 
> Avraham Schneider wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab
> <alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>
>> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>>>
> wrote:
> 
>>     Avraham,
> 
>>     With all respect to your point, thanks to use a better language
> 
>>     I did not deny that the Jewish ppl exist since what ever many
> years, but
>>     does that mean they have to own the whole land now?
> 
>> They owned the land - it was conquered from them - they got it
> back - so
>> yes, they have the right for the whole land now.
> 
> 
>>     I think this just give them the right to live and own their lands,
>>     without denying the same right
>>     for Christians and Muslims who used to live there as well for
>>     thousands of years even before the existence of the idea of
> the states.
> 
>> The Arabs did not live there for thousands of years.
>> Israel never denied Christians or Muslims from living in Israel, proof
>> is in the large number of Israeli-Arabs (including Arab Knesset
> members).
>> The Palestinians in the occupied territories were not born there -
> they
>> were refugees from Arab countries that either fled there during the
>> war(s) with the Arab countries (that were defeated) or Arabs that
>> entered the land after the Arab leaders promised that Israel would be
>> defeated - something that did not happen.
>> When Israel signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - the later
>> made it clear they do not want those Arabs back - did you ever wonder
>> why? Don't they care for their fellow Arabs?
> 
> 
> 
>>     There might be a wrong popular idea that Arabs have a problem with
>>     Jewish,
>>     they only have a problem with Israel, and as you said when Muslims
>>     control
>>     the area, they didn't kick the Jewish out of it, in contrary
> to what
>>     Europe
>>     did before with Jewish and what Israel is doing now with
> Palestinians.
> 
>> The following is the text of the Hamas spokesman's call for
> genocide of
>> Jews, the Hamas spokesman, Dr. Ismail Radwan, on Palestinian Authority
>> TV, on March 30, 2007:
> 
>> "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims
> fight the
>> Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will
> say: Oh,
>> Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'
> 
>> I think that proves you wrong.
> 
> 
> 
>>     The Idea is to live and let others live as well.
> 
>> Didn't we try that? What about the Oslo agreement? 100% of the
> land the
>> Palestinians wanted was given to them - for peace.
>> The 'favor' we got in return was daily rocket attacks from civilian
>> population that support the terrorists firing them.
> 
> 
> 
>>     Regarding the War idea you are talking about, you mean that you
>>     agree with
>>     aggressive force usage. So we live in a jungle, who ever own
> the power
>>     should kill every one before they have the same power.
>>     I'm surprised from your idea.
> 
>> In reality (call it a jungle if you like) - no country would
> accept the
>> daily firing of rockets on it's civilian population.
>> Imagine Mexico's drug cartels being voted in as elect government
> by 90%
>> of Mexican people - and them deciding to get California back from the
>> U.S. - then starting to shoot low-grade rockets at San-Diego.
>> How do you think the U.S. would react?
>> How do you expect the U.S. to react?
> 
> 
> 
>>     So you want to say that it was a big mistake that Muslims didn't
>>     kill all
>>     Christians and Jewish when they were much more powerful and
> they had the
>>     chance? No that is not acceptable we are civilized ppl and we
>>     believe that
>>     we all should live in peace and equally treat ppl regardless their
>>     religion,
>>     color, origin ...etc
> 
>> They converted many by the sword and killed those who would not
> convert
>> - they didn't succeed but they tried.
> 
> 
> 
>>     The history is saying that no one keep the power for long, so
> don't
>>     built
>>     the hate or you are going to pay for it.
> 
>> History shows the Jews are victorious at the end. Large empires
> rise and
>> fall - but at the end of the day, the Jews are right and justice
> prevails.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>     Hope that you will not change your idea when positions will be
> changed.
> 
>> You assume 'positions' will change - I don't see that happening...
>> regardless I have G-d on my side so I have nothing to be afraid.
> 
> 
> 
>>     But we will never change our idea.
> 
>> I know - story has it's Mr. Evil - in the story of reality today Mr.
>> Evil is played by radical Islam. I hope it is the last Mr. Evil the
>> world has to deal with.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>     Brgds...Alaa
> 
> 
> 
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