Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:57:44 +0200
From: "Avraham Schneider" <avri.schneider@...il.com>
To: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The war in Palestine

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
buanzo@...nzo.com.ar> wrote:

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> Oh come on, who gives a real fuck... god doesn't exist anyway. Religion is
> an excuse to dominate
> simple minds.

At least 178 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry
have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all individual
recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% of all US
recipients2 during the same period.  In the scientific research fields of
Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the corresponding world and US
percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively.  (Jews currently make up
approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of the US population.)

Considering Jews are testifying to the existence of G-d - I would say it is
hard to make your claim under these results...

>
>
> Avraham Schneider wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab <alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr
> > <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>> wrote:
> >
> >     Avraham,
> >
> >     With all respect to your point, thanks to use a better language
> >
> >     I did not deny that the Jewish ppl exist since what ever many years,
> but
> >     does that mean they have to own the whole land now?
> >
> > They owned the land - it was conquered from them - they got it back - so
> > yes, they have the right for the whole land now.
> >
> >
> >     I think this just give them the right to live and own their lands,
> >     without denying the same right
> >     for Christians and Muslims who used to live there as well for
> >     thousands of years even before the existence of the idea of the
> states.
> >
> > The Arabs did not live there for thousands of years.
> > Israel never denied Christians or Muslims from living in Israel, proof
> > is in the large number of Israeli-Arabs (including Arab Knesset members).
> > The Palestinians in the occupied territories were not born there - they
> > were refugees from Arab countries that either fled there during the
> > war(s) with the Arab countries (that were defeated) or Arabs that
> > entered the land after the Arab leaders promised that Israel would be
> > defeated - something that did not happen.
> > When Israel signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - the later
> > made it clear they do not want those Arabs back - did you ever wonder
> > why? Don't they care for their fellow Arabs?
> >
> >
> >
> >     There might be a wrong popular idea that Arabs have a problem with
> >     Jewish,
> >     they only have a problem with Israel, and as you said when Muslims
> >     control
> >     the area, they didn't kick the Jewish out of it, in contrary to what
> >     Europe
> >     did before with Jewish and what Israel is doing now with
> Palestinians.
> >
> > The following is the text of the Hamas spokesman's call for genocide of
> > Jews, the Hamas spokesman, Dr. Ismail Radwan, on Palestinian Authority
> > TV, on March 30, 2007:
> >
> > "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the
> > Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will say: Oh,
> > Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'
> >
> > I think that proves you wrong.
> >
> >
> >
> >     The Idea is to live and let others live as well.
> >
> > Didn't we try that? What about the Oslo agreement? 100% of the land the
> > Palestinians wanted was given to them - for peace.
> > The 'favor' we got in return was daily rocket attacks from civilian
> > population that support the terrorists firing them.
> >
> >
> >
> >     Regarding the War idea you are talking about, you mean that you
> >     agree with
> >     aggressive force usage. So we live in a jungle, who ever own the
> power
> >     should kill every one before they have the same power.
> >     I'm surprised from your idea.
> >
> > In reality (call it a jungle if you like) - no country would accept the
> > daily firing of rockets on it's civilian population.
> > Imagine Mexico's drug cartels being voted in as elect government by 90%
> > of Mexican people - and them deciding to get California back from the
> > U.S. - then starting to shoot low-grade rockets at San-Diego.
> > How do you think the U.S. would react?
> > How do you expect the U.S. to react?
> >
> >
> >
> >     So you want to say that it was a big mistake that Muslims didn't
> >     kill all
> >     Christians and Jewish when they were much more powerful and they had
> the
> >     chance? No that is not acceptable we are civilized ppl and we
> >     believe that
> >     we all should live in peace and equally treat ppl regardless their
> >     religion,
> >     color, origin ...etc
> >
> > They converted many by the sword and killed those who would not convert
> > - they didn't succeed but they tried.
> >
> >
> >
> >     The history is saying that no one keep the power for long, so don't
> >     built
> >     the hate or you are going to pay for it.
> >
> > History shows the Jews are victorious at the end. Large empires rise and
> > fall - but at the end of the day, the Jews are right and justice
> prevails.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     Hope that you will not change your idea when positions will be
> changed.
> >
> > You assume 'positions' will change - I don't see that happening...
> > regardless I have G-d on my side so I have nothing to be afraid.
> >
> >
> >
> >     But we will never change our idea.
> >
> > I know - story has it's Mr. Evil - in the story of reality today Mr.
> > Evil is played by radical Islam. I hope it is the last Mr. Evil the
> > world has to deal with.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     Brgds...Alaa
> >
> >
> >
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