Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:53:45 -0200
From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>
To: Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The war in Palestine

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Oh come on, who gives a real fuck... god doesn't exist anyway. Religion is an excuse to dominate
simple minds.

Avraham Schneider wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab <alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr
> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>> wrote:
> 
>     Avraham,
> 
>     With all respect to your point, thanks to use a better language
> 
>     I did not deny that the Jewish ppl exist since what ever many years, but
>     does that mean they have to own the whole land now?
> 
> They owned the land - it was conquered from them - they got it back - so
> yes, they have the right for the whole land now.
>  
> 
>     I think this just give them the right to live and own their lands,
>     without denying the same right
>     for Christians and Muslims who used to live there as well for
>     thousands of years even before the existence of the idea of the states.
> 
> The Arabs did not live there for thousands of years.
> Israel never denied Christians or Muslims from living in Israel, proof
> is in the large number of Israeli-Arabs (including Arab Knesset members).
> The Palestinians in the occupied territories were not born there - they
> were refugees from Arab countries that either fled there during the
> war(s) with the Arab countries (that were defeated) or Arabs that
> entered the land after the Arab leaders promised that Israel would be
> defeated - something that did not happen.
> When Israel signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - the later
> made it clear they do not want those Arabs back - did you ever wonder
> why? Don't they care for their fellow Arabs?
> 
> 
> 
>     There might be a wrong popular idea that Arabs have a problem with
>     Jewish,
>     they only have a problem with Israel, and as you said when Muslims
>     control
>     the area, they didn't kick the Jewish out of it, in contrary to what
>     Europe
>     did before with Jewish and what Israel is doing now with Palestinians.
> 
> The following is the text of the Hamas spokesman's call for genocide of
> Jews, the Hamas spokesman, Dr. Ismail Radwan, on Palestinian Authority
> TV, on March 30, 2007:
> 
> "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the
> Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will say: Oh,
> Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'
> 
> I think that proves you wrong.
> 
> 
> 
>     The Idea is to live and let others live as well.
> 
> Didn't we try that? What about the Oslo agreement? 100% of the land the
> Palestinians wanted was given to them - for peace.
> The 'favor' we got in return was daily rocket attacks from civilian
> population that support the terrorists firing them.
> 
> 
> 
>     Regarding the War idea you are talking about, you mean that you
>     agree with
>     aggressive force usage. So we live in a jungle, who ever own the power
>     should kill every one before they have the same power.
>     I'm surprised from your idea.
> 
> In reality (call it a jungle if you like) - no country would accept the
> daily firing of rockets on it's civilian population.
> Imagine Mexico's drug cartels being voted in as elect government by 90%
> of Mexican people - and them deciding to get California back from the
> U.S. - then starting to shoot low-grade rockets at San-Diego.
> How do you think the U.S. would react?
> How do you expect the U.S. to react?
> 
> 
> 
>     So you want to say that it was a big mistake that Muslims didn't
>     kill all
>     Christians and Jewish when they were much more powerful and they had the
>     chance? No that is not acceptable we are civilized ppl and we
>     believe that
>     we all should live in peace and equally treat ppl regardless their
>     religion,
>     color, origin ...etc
> 
> They converted many by the sword and killed those who would not convert
> - they didn't succeed but they tried.
> 
> 
> 
>     The history is saying that no one keep the power for long, so don't
>     built
>     the hate or you are going to pay for it.
> 
> History shows the Jews are victorious at the end. Large empires rise and
> fall - but at the end of the day, the Jews are right and justice prevails.
>  
> 
> 
> 
>     Hope that you will not change your idea when positions will be changed.
> 
> You assume 'positions' will change - I don't see that happening...
> regardless I have G-d on my side so I have nothing to be afraid.
> 
> 
> 
>     But we will never change our idea.
> 
> I know - story has it's Mr. Evil - in the story of reality today Mr.
> Evil is played by radical Islam. I hope it is the last Mr. Evil the
> world has to deal with.
>  
> 
> 
> 
>     Brgds...Alaa
> 
> 
> 
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