Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:06:51 +0000
From: "Prototype This" <terminale@...il.com>
To: "Yudi Rosen" <yr42.lists@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The war in Palestine

Nobody force you to answer or even read this topic. You can still
answer and read other topic.

And what a liar you are.Yesterday a 20 year old boy got shoot dead by
israel in Westbank in a demonstration. So dont speak like the soldiers
are little angels. In fact Satan himself , take special course from
sionist ppl.

2009/1/5 Yudi Rosen <yr42.lists@...il.com>:
> It's interesting to note how the PA Palestinians in the West Bank are living
> peacefully - they're not launching attacks on Israeli citizens, and therefor
> aren't being attacked back by Israel. In fact, many of them have jobs within
> Israeli areas and receive benefits from the Israeli government (my source?
> I'm there right now, I've asked to both Jews and Arabs about this).
>
> Yet in Gaza, the ruling party (Hamas) has vowed not just to establish a
> Palestinian country, but also to destroy Israel and kill every last Jew. And
> they attempt to make good on their words by deliberately and specificly
> targeting civillians, even killing other Palestinians in the proccess. In
> order to defend it's own people (both Jews and Arabs), Israel launches this
> latest battle.
>
> THEN, (hoping to garner some sympathy for the Hamas cause, it seems?),
> several people start a flamefight on a IT-security mailing list.
>
> ...anyone see what doesn't make sense here?
>
> There are places to flame about this, FD doesn't seem like one of them.
> Please let's get back on topic?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Avraham Schneider
> <avri.schneider@...il.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:25 AM, - o z - <osgo@...mail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Avraham Schneider wrote:
>>>
>>>> When there is no choice, there is no choice - Israel has to defend it's
>>>> own
>>>> civilian population as a first priority.
>>>>
>>>> Let me tell you a little of the latest events -
>>>>
>>>> 1) IDF calls a family in Gaza, to let them know they are about to bomb
>>>> the
>>>> house from the air - demanding that the family members leave
>>>> immediately.
>>>> (the IDF had inteligence that weapons were stored in that family's
>>>> house)
>>>> 2) Family members climb to the roof of the house as they know the IDF
>>>> pilots
>>>> would not want to harm civilians
>>>> 3) The IDF pilot fires a rocket to the corner of the roof, making it
>>>> clear
>>>> that if they don't leave, they will die,
>>>> 4) The family get the point and run away
>>>> 5) House is fired at
>>>> 6) Explosions ocur due to ammunition and rockets stored there.
>>>
>>> Correction #3:  The MC actually dispatched MIGCAP to fire 20mm cannon,
>>> not 'rocket' -- at the next building over.   The kill ratio from a
>>> rocket's shrapnel
>>> would have killed anyone on the roof, hence, 20mm fire to ward off the
>>> family
>>> and scare the dickens out of them so they would bail from the structure.
>>
>> http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052034.html
>>  The IDF Spokesman said that Ghayan's house had served as a weapons silo
>> and a war room for Hamas. Under the house, according to the IDF, was a
>> tunnel which was meant to serve as an escape route in case of an Israeli
>> attack.
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> The IDF has code named such operations "roof knocking," in which the army
>> informs the residents of s suspected building that they have 10 minutes to
>> leave the premises. In some cases, residents of suspected houses have been
>> able to prevent bombing by climbing up to the roof to show that they will
>> not leave, prompting IDF commanders to call off the strike. In these cases,
>> Channel 10 reported Thursday, the IAF sometimes launches a relatively
>> harmless missile at the corner of the roof, avoiding casualties but
>> successfully dispersing the crowd.
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> It appears that the "roof knocking" technique was used in the
>> assassination, but Ghayan decided to stay indoors with his family, and the
>> army opted to bomb the house anyway.
>> A lecturer at Gaza's Islamic University, Ghayan, 49, had mentored suicide
>> bombers and would sometimes go on patrol with Hamas fighters. He was known
>> for his close ties to the group's military wing and was respected in Gaza
>> for donning combat fatigues and personally participating in clashes against
>> Israeli forces. He sent one of his sons on an October 2001 suicide mission
>> that killed two Israeli settlers in Gaza.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> #4:  Family found Jesus right away, no, Common Sense...and bailed from
>>> the roof.
>>>
>>> #5:  Cool fireworks display courtesy of your local IDF
>>>
>>> #6:  Kudos to family for making a media moment of defiance, but it was
>>> really time
>>> to leave before someone was killed.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/1/4  <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You people can't even agree to stop a flame war.
>>>>>
>>>> It's not a flame war - it's an off-topic propaganda started by a Muslim
>>>> and
>>>> defended by a Jew.
>>>> Just add the subject to a filter rule in Outlook/gmail/whatever client
>>>> you
>>>> use, and forget about it.
>>>
>>> Defended by two Jews now, Mazel tov!!!!
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Condoleezza Rice is a very cruel, offended woman who lacks men's
>>> attention. She needs to be taken to a company of man-soldiers and it would
>>> be just fine. Releasing such stupid remarks gives her the feeling of being
>>> fulfilled. This is the only way for her to attract men's attention.  Show me
>>> that Rice is a woman? The only thing she attracts is reindeer. The States
>>> needs to practice the old Soviet tradition when both single women and single
>>> men were not allowed to take responsible state positions..."
>>>
>>> --Vladimir Zhirinovsky,  Russian politician, rabid leader of the Liberal
>>> and Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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