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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:25:52 +0200
From: "Avraham Schneider" <avri.schneider@...il.com>
To: "Ed Carp" <erc@...ox.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The war in Palestine

The basic facts:

    * Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians.  The
number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by
Israel is precisely zero.  The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been
trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom
unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and in
their mosques.
    * Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate
humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while
Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60
truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were
transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of
Gaza's electricity.
    * Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has
indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population
centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone.
    * Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching
pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years.
    * Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and
launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian population
centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line of
fire.
    * No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its
civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the
border.
    * If American civilians would have become targets to such terror
attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would respond
very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown
restraint to date.


On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp <erc@...ox.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer <larry@...ryseltzer.com> wrote:
>
>> Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name.
>
>> Larry Seltzer
>> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
>
> When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to step
> in and say something.
>
> Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the Palestinian people.
> Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today
> referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that made
> their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt.
> "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by the
> British Mandate in 1920.  The region referred to as "Palestine" in
> historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan,
> Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries.  Until 1920, there
> never were any formal boundaries or a formal country.
> Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians.
> Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the intent
> of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this doesn't
> say anything about Arabs or Palestinians).  In 1947, the UN approved
> splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab.  In 1948,
> the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling itself
> "Israel".  From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel:
>
> After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly
> violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government
> withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was
> unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51]
> The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan
> (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947,
> dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish.
> Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus
> separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its
> status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab
> League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947
> the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab
> guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that these
> attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations
> with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to
> escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a policy
> of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic
> subversion and psychological warfare.[55]
>
> On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the
> Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The
> following day five Arab countries – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and
> Iraq –invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56]
> Morocco, Sudan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also sent troops to assist the
> invaders. After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and
> temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established. Jordan
> annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and
> Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip. Israel was admitted as a member
> of the United Nations on May 11, 1949.[57] During the war 711,000
> Arabs, according to UN estimates, or about 80% of the previous Arab
> population, fled the country.[58] The fate of the Palestinian refugees
> today is a major point of contention in the Israeli-Palestinian
> conflict.[59][60]
>
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