Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 04:36:25 -0500
From: "j-f sentier" <j.sentiar@...il.com>
To: "Avraham Schneider" <avri.schneider@...il.com>, 
	full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The war in Palestine

Avraham, dude  you 're doing the wrong job, you should sell some thermo-pump
or something
you've big skill in selling/propaganda :)

2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>

> The basic facts:
>
>    * Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians.  The
> number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by
> Israel is precisely zero.  The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been
> trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom
> unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and in
> their mosques.
>    * Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate
> humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while
> Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60
> truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were
> transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of
> Gaza's electricity.
>    * Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has
> indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population
> centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone.
>    * Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching
> pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years.
>    * Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and
> launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian population
> centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line of
> fire.
>    * No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its
> civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the
> border.
>    * If American civilians would have become targets to such terror
> attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would respond
> very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown
> restraint to date.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp <erc@...ox.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer <larry@...ryseltzer.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name.
> >
> >> Larry Seltzer
> >> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
> >
> > When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to step
> > in and say something.
> >
> > Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the Palestinian
> people.
> > Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today
> > referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that made
> > their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt.
> > "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by the
> > British Mandate in 1920.  The region referred to as "Palestine" in
> > historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan,
> > Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries.  Until 1920, there
> > never were any formal boundaries or a formal country.
> > Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians.
> > Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the intent
> > of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this doesn't
> > say anything about Arabs or Palestinians).  In 1947, the UN approved
> > splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab.  In 1948,
> > the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling itself
> > "Israel".  From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel:
> >
> > After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly
> > violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government
> > withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was
> > unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51]
> > The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan
> > (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947,
> > dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish.
> > Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus
> > separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its
> > status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab
> > League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947
> > the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab
> > guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that these
> > attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations
> > with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to
> > escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a policy
> > of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic
> > subversion and psychological warfare.[55]
> >
> > On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the
> > Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The
> > following day five Arab countries – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and
> > Iraq –invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56]
> > Morocco, Sudan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also sent troops to assist the
> > invaders. After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and
> > temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established. Jordan
> > annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and
> > Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip. Israel was admitted as a member
> > of the United Nations on May 11, 1949.[57] During the war 711,000
> > Arabs, according to UN estimates, or about 80% of the previous Arab
> > population, fled the country.[58] The fate of the Palestinian refugees
> > today is a major point of contention in the Israeli-Palestinian
> > conflict.[59][60]
> >
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