full-disclosure - Re: Why are you against n3td3v?

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Message-ID: <58156.1231692667@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:51:07 -0500
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Why are you against n3td3v?

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:09:45 GMT, "andrew.wallace" said:

> I can't help if Robert Lemos, Neal Krawetz gave false reports about
> n3td3v, that seems to have damaged us a lot and having to defend my
> position constantly to a bunch of aliases on full-disclosure because
> they believed something that was written in the media and had an
> expectation and when that expectation couldn't be met, they thought
> I'm a lie and a fake and the members of the n3td3v mailing list can't
> be real.

I hate to inject some actual reality, but a few things to consider:

1) 'n3td3v' was *already* widely regarded as a troll when Krawetz did
his research - he picked 'n3td3v' *specifically because* it was regarded
as the biggest security troll since Gobbles.

2) I suspect that the vast majority of full-disclosure readers either
didn't know or didn't care about Krawetz's posting until you made a
point of complaining about it and invoked the Streisand Effect on yourself.

3) The high troll factor of 'n3td3v' on the full-disclosure list scared
off a very high percentage of the full-disclosure people who concluded that
any list of 4,500+ run by a troll/idiot of the caliber seen on full-disclosure
*must* be composed mostly of sock puppets and other trolls.

Seriously - go back and re-read your postings over the past several years,
and then ask yourself "What would *I* think about this poster if I didn't
know who he was?".

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