Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:05:12 -0800
From: "Gomer Stackseg" <faultintolerant@...il.com>
To: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Full Disclosure of What ?

G'day Andrew / netdev:

In all fairness, you have to ask yourself a few honest questions:

1.)  Why do you think people mistreat you?
2.)  Do you think that you belong on a list where security and
vulnerability researchers share "intelligence"?
3.)  Who are you really? (I mean brutally honestly: Who are you?)
4.)  Do you _really_ work for _any_ intelligence agency ?
5.)  Can you see why people would resent you for implying something
that you are something that in most probability you are not?
6.)  Do you see why people (including myself) see you a basement captive?
7.)  Do you use drugs ?

Actually I could go on but I will not.  My final question to you is this:

Do you think I am out to get you?

In honesty all I know about you is the posts from this list that go
back about four years.  I don't know Andrew Wallace at all.  I do
honestly think that you enjoy trolling, and you need the attention.
Are you a bad person?  Probably not.  Everyone has something to hide,
and everyone has skeletons in the closet.  I don't think people are
against you, but they are against the way you conduct yourself.  Why
don't you try to be honest with yourself, and see how people respond.

You can start by issuing a statement about your involvement with an
intelligence agency.  Just say if you are or are not.  What could it
hurt?

Do you see why researchers with engineering backgrounds, programmers
with 20+ years of solid high and low level languages see you as a dust
mite?

Up the ante, man.  Get honest with yourself and carry on in a way that
people could actually gain respect for you instead of resenting you.
Do you think that is at all possible?

> All I can do is keep going and wait for their balls to drop then
> they'll realise i'm a real person who isn't delusional

What does this mean?  You wait for someone to make an error in
judgment then you appear as a deity for all to bow down to?  Do you in
any way see that this statement is cause for derision?  This came from
your hand, not you detractors.

Does any of this make any sense?

Cheers and best wishes for all !

G. Stackseg


On 1/10/09, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Gomer Stackseg
> <faultintolerant@...il.com> wrote:
>> G'day to the FD list:
>>
>> Security and vulnerability research ?  It would really be of great
>> benefit to turn this list into something more than it currently is.
>> There is a wealth of very intelligent, creative and humourous people
>> who post to this list, and I enjoy what they have to say but there is
>> a lot of repetitive tedium.  There is also a wealth of stupidity that
>> shifts the fulcrum from center.
>>
>> I find the interplay between netdev and ureleet to be a defining
>> element of inanity, misanthropy and sheer waste of bandwidth.  Who
>> cares about the pissing between what appears to be two colossal noise
>> generating clowns ?  I know this will piss someone off and I'll look
>> forward to the high-end feedback I will receive.  I am not _trolling_
>> but making clear a premise to get back to what this list is about.
>> Maybe there are others who are in the security arena who feel the
>> same, who believe in full disclosure, and are professionals with
>> professional reputations and (significant) contributions to the
>> security and vulnerability research world.  Blackhats, Whitehats and
>> Grayhats all have something of great value to contribute when
>> presented in an intelligent environment.
>>
>> I am mystified by this omnipresent Andrew Wallace / netdev persona.
>> You say you will "go away" (for the betterment of all) then you come
>> right back like a spoiled child.  What an infantile personality. I
>> hope you realize that you absolutely foster the whole "living in your
>> mother's basement" scenario.   I have always believed strongly that
>> there are certain people who are placed on earth as examples to others
>> of what never to become. This person fills that requirement in a
>> superlative fashion.  What an idiot to make statements about working
>> for an intelligence agency in an abysmal effort to inflate his
>> (absence of) self-worth.  What a pathetic and delusional psychological
>> profile this presents.  Again, this is the play of a little baby in a
>> little baby's world order, where he commands an army of 4500 straw
>> sycophants who are transfixed at his elemental presence.
>>
>> In any event, I hope that an attitude that fosters learning and
>> intelligent discussion will eclipse the "security cut-and-paste
>> carnival" attitude I see that prevails.  Although I see this
>> attenuated when the threats of being sued arose.  What an epically
>> funny thread that was !
>>
>> But in the mean time, please continue to rant about the trivial and
>> cut-and-paste / link current events for us, and speak of "secret
>> intelligence agent" escapades  I think there is hope that this will
>> change when people get serious about a profoundly serious topic that
>> affects everyone.
>>
>> Cheers to all !
>>
>> Gomer Stackseg
>
> I don't know why people treat me the way they do its something the
> list has come to live with that everything I do and say is
> discredited.
>
> All I can do is keep going and wait for their balls to drop then
> they'll realise i'm a real person who isn't delusional.
>
> Thanks!
>
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