Message-ID: <6f80feaf0901221634y1e4e70fagdf2f5115feea38bd@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:34:01 -0500
From: j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com>
To: Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>,
	full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate

And you ?

Please tell me god, i know i'm an inferior human being regarding you, but
please tell me

2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>

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>
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com> wrote:
>
>> hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU.
>>
> this mailing list is archived online - it's not difficult to prove you
> wrong, but you ignore reality so I'm not going to bother (it's too easy for
> others to do if they really cared)
>
>
> You've got no creditbility here.
>>
> Why, because you say so?
>
> What did you do for computer security lately?
>
>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>
>>
>>> the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec
>>> mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e.
>>> baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions)
>>>
>>> And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you
>>> shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic
>>> English).
>>>
>>> That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily
>>> (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil
>>> people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists).
>>>
>>> But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer
>>> security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security
>>> related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated
>>> to computer security_?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli
>>>> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something
>>>> EVIL.
>>>>
>>>> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking
>>>> brown noze.
>>>>
>>>> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace <andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for
>>>>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he
>>>>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or
>>>>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda
>>>>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like
>>>>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but
>>>>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you
>>>>> to jump off a bridge would you do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> Intelligencer &
>>>>> Founder of n3td3v
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>>> <avri.schneider@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> which propaganda ?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> But i understand why now :
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military
>>>>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and
>>>>> participating
>>>>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. "
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Everything is clearer than ever.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, <A.L.M.Buxey@...ro.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber
>>>>> security
>>>>> >>>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing
>>>>> was
>>>>> >>>> > setup.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into
>>>>> technical
>>>>> >>>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists
>>>>> are
>>>>> >>>> > created?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of
>>>>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting
>>>>> here
>>>>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it
>>>>> here).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and
>>>>> >>>> useful!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want
>>>>> >>> (security related or not).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security
>>>>> related
>>>>> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect
>>>>> some spam.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with
>>>>> propaganda, or
>>>>> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options -
>>>>> either a)
>>>>> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend
>>>>> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished
>>>>> by
>>>>> >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a
>>>>> certain
>>>>> >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and
>>>>> blacklist the
>>>>> >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham
>>>>> schneider/js
>>>>> >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that -
>>>>> and you are
>>>>> >>> back with a readable FD.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being
>>>>> >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least
>>>>> without
>>>>> >>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security').
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it
>>>>> is),
>>>>> >>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some
>>>>> hypocricy
>>>>> >>> here.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> ala
>>>>> >>>>
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