Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:14:53 -0200
From: "Fabio N Sarmento [ Gmail ]" <fabior2@...il.com>
To: "andrew.wallace" <andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate

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2009/1/22 andrew.wallace <andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com>

> I would love to know j-f sentier's views on President Barack Obama,
> maybe he is against him as well.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Avraham Schneider
> <avri.schneider@...il.com> wrote:
> > the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec
> > mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e.
> > baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions)
> >
> > And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you
> > shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic
> > English).
> >
> > That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily
> > (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil
> > people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists).
> >
> > But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer
> security
> > related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security
> related),
> > when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to
> > computer security_?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli
> >> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or
> something
> >> EVIL.
> >>
> >> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking
> >> brown noze.
> >>
> >> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace <andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for
> >>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he
> >>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or
> >>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda
> >>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like
> >>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but
> >>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you
> >>> to jump off a bridge would you do it?
> >>>
> >>> Andrew
> >>> Intelligencer &
> >>> Founder of n3td3v
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >>> <avri.schneider@...il.com> wrote:
> >>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me.
> >>> >
> >>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> which propaganda ?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> But i understand why now :
> >>> >>
> >>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military
> >>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and
> >>> >> participating
> >>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. "
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Everything is clearer than ever.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, <A.L.M.Buxey@...ro.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Hi,
> >>> >>>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber
> >>> >>>> > security
> >>> >>>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing
> was
> >>> >>>> > setup.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand?
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into
> >>> >>>> > technical
> >>> >>>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists
> >>> >>>> > are
> >>> >>>> > created?
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of
> >>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting
> >>> >>> here
> >>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it
> >>> >>> here).
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and
> >>> >>>> useful!
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want
> >>> >>> (security related or not).
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security
> related
> >>> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect
> some
> >>> >>> spam.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with
> propaganda,
> >>> >>> or
> >>> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options -
> >>> >>> either a)
> >>> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend
> >>> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda).
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished
> >>> >>> by
> >>> >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a
> >>> >>> certain
> >>> >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and
> blacklist
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham
> schneider/js
> >>> >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that -
> and
> >>> >>> you are
> >>> >>> back with a readable FD.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being
> >>> >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least
> without
> >>> >>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security').
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it
> >>> >>> is),
> >>> >>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is).
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some
> hypocricy
> >>> >>> here.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> ala
> >>> >>>>
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