Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:21:29 -0500
From: Pete Licoln <pete.licoln@...il.com>
To: Jeremy Brown <0xjbrown41@...il.com>, 
	full-disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: List of Fuzzers

Ok cool, then keep it up Jeremy.
At least you wont be able to say no one told you.


2009/3/6 Jeremy Brown <0xjbrown41@...il.com>

> I consider you a loser, Pete/Julio/Loser.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Pete Licoln <pete.licoln@...il.com> wrote:
> > Well .. what i say is true.
> > If you cant argue on the subject then shut the hell up.
> >
> >
> > 2009/3/6 Rubén Camarero <rjcamarero@...il.com>
> >>
> >> Dont satisfy this idiot with a response, thats what he likes.. Everybody
> >> knows Petie is a troll on every list just use google
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Jeremy Brown <0xjbrown41@...il.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The reason anyone writes a fuzzer is to find bugs. Those that I have
> >>> written are of course for the same purpose as the 101 listed: to find
> >>> security bugs. Your ideas are as meaningless and unhelpful as they
> >>> have been in the past. You have no goal but to troll and try to make
> >>> people look like fools, but you are clearly the ignorant one.
> >>>
> >>> What have you ever written? Let us see some of your code to poke fun
> >>> of. If it is as imperfect as you then we'd have a day of fun.
> >>>
> >>> >What's hilarious is that none of them are usefull :)
> >>>
> >>> http://www.milw0rm.com/author/1531
> >>> http://www.milw0rm.com/author/1835
> >>>
> >>> 90% of the research above were found by fuzzing, and those are public.
> >>> Clearly my fuzzers are useful.
> >>>
> >>> >You should really learn the protocol you want to fuzz, and develop a
> >>> >strategy before you create anything else.
> >>>
> >>> Although mistakes are inevitable, and seeming how the stuff I write
> >>> are pretty coherent to the protocol, your statements, once again, are
> >>> unjustifiable. The strategy is simple: gather points of input, fuzz
> >>> them, and watch for exceptions. Obviously.
> >>>
> >>> >Every fuzzer you've made use the SAME way to ""fuzz"" for differents
> >>> > app/protocol.
> >>>
> >>> Because using a fuzzing oracle is a very good way to identify security
> >>> bugs. Throwing random data will surely find lots of programming
> >>> errors, but I want a shell.
> >>>
> >>> > The only change i see is your last fuzzer .. written in a different
> >>> > language, but still the same way ...
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, I wrote it in C, and implemented a fuzzing oracle that way. I
> >>> probably put 100 hours into it, and it gave back some nice return. As
> >>> like the others.
> >>>
> >>> So, "what ever your real name is", I will continue to write fuzzers
> >>> and exploits. If you comments are meant to bend my attitude or
> >>> research rather than to troll, you don't have a chance, so get on with
> >>> your life and I will get on with mine. What a conclusion.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Pete Licoln <pete.licoln@...il.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > What's hilarious is that none of them are usefull :)
> >>> > You should really learn the protocol you want to fuzz, and develop a
> >>> > strategy before you create anything else.
> >>> > Every fuzzer you've made use the SAME way to ""fuzz"" for differents
> >>> > app/protocol.
> >>> >
> >>> > The only change i see is your last fuzzer .. written in a different
> >>> > language, but still the same way ...
> >>> >
> >>> > 2009/3/5 Jeremy Brown <0xjbrown41@...il.com>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> That is hilarious LOL!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Pete Licoln <pete.licoln@...il.com
> >
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > 11 fuzzers matchs for Jeremy Brown on this page LOL !
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 2009/3/5 Krakow Labs <krakowlabs@...il.com>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Krakow Labs maintains a current list of security driven fuzzing
> >>> >> >> technologies.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> http://www.krakowlabs.com/lof.html
> >>> >> >>
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