full-disclosure - Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street

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Message-ID: <EDEC5775C3E2ADED0668CA9C@utd65257.utdallas.edu>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:08:59 -0600
From: Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@...rr.com>
To: full-disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street

--On Wednesday, November 04, 2009 13:21:02 -0600 Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote:
>
> George W Bush and company went to jail for the maximum sentence for their
> self-admittedly illegal surveillance without FISA warrants, right?
>

No one in the Bush administration ever "self-admitted" to illegal surveillance 
nor has it ever been proven in court that there *was* any illegal survelliance. 
Stop reading the New York Times.  There are good arguments for the wiretaps 
being illegal, and there are equally good arguments that they were not.  Until 
it's challenged in court and decided one way or the other, calling the wiretaps 
illegal is nothing more than an opinion.

Please cite one proven instance where surveillance was done on anyone without a 
FISA warrant - and lefty blogs filled with hyperbole don't count.

> Oh, they didn't even get indicted, much less jailed?  Yeah. That's what I
> thought...
>
> "On what planet do you spend most of your time?" -- Barney Frank

You should worry a lot more about the loss of your freedoms from people like 
Barney Frank than you ever should about FBI surveillance.

-- 
Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst
As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions
are my own and not those of my employer.
*******************************************
"It is as useless to argue with those who have
renounced the use of reason as to administer
medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson

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