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Message-ID: <290144.63788.qm@web24205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:07:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Micheal Turner <wh1t3h4t3@...oo.co.uk> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: Apple ptrace panic PoC - R.I.P str0ke Did you and them get your degree from the same university of trolls? I have mistaken nothing for nothing. Fuck you. --- On Thu, 5/11/09, frank^2 <frank2@...49.org> wrote: > From: frank^2 <frank2@...49.org> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Apple ptrace panic PoC - R.I.P str0ke > To: "Micheal Turner" <wh1t3h4t3@...oo.co.uk> > Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk > Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 12:50 AM > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:13 PM, > Micheal Turner <wh1t3h4t3@...oo.co.uk> > wrote: > > Its evil. Making people believe that someone is dead, > publicly, and placing obituaries online shows no regard for > the thoughts & feelings of the person being trolled or > the others who may read them. > > > > In a community where whispers and hear-say can even > get SANS to look for an OpenSSH 0day "doing-the-rounds", > spreading 'misinformation' about a well-liked individual who > worked on a project for the community is unpleasant - making > out they are dead is just horrible. > > > > There are people at the end of the computers. Don't > ever forget it. > > > > This is kind of a silly tangent to be having an argument > about on this > list, so I'll try to make this my last comment on the > matter. > > It may be a little semantic, but I feel you're confusing > wickedness > with a lack of empathy. Evil implies that the intent behind > the prank > was to cause emotional harm. It's certainly detestable that > the prank > was based in making people assume that str0ke was dead, but > I'm > doubtful that the purpose of its spread was to cause harm. > I hate to > be That Guy That Explains The Joke, but I'm pretty sure the > purpose > was to mock the fact that a) str0ke has been quiet for a > long while > publicly and b) milw0rm hasn't been updated for a lengthy > period of > time for yet-to-be explained reasons. (I think v3n0m piped > in a while > back and said they were taking care of the backlog, but > that's about > all I remember.) > > While the line between apathy towards others' emotions and > intent to > truly cause harm to one's emotions can be blurred, I don't > think it's > particularly fair to call the perpetrators of this prank > evil. "Evil" > is taking joy in the suffering of others. The intent of > trolling is to > get a specific reaction from a crafted falsehood or > comment-- it > doesn't necessarily follow that the expected reaction here > was > emotional harm. So given the circumstances, I feel it's > more accurate > to say they just simply didn't care. > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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