full-disclosure - Re: Apple ptrace panic PoC

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Message-ID: <290144.63788.qm@web24205.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:07:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: Micheal Turner <wh1t3h4t3@...oo.co.uk>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Apple ptrace panic PoC - R.I.P str0ke

Did you and them get your degree from the same university of trolls?

I have mistaken nothing for nothing. Fuck you. 

--- On Thu, 5/11/09, frank^2 <frank2@...49.org> wrote:

> From: frank^2 <frank2@...49.org>
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Apple ptrace panic PoC - R.I.P str0ke
> To: "Micheal Turner" <wh1t3h4t3@...oo.co.uk>
> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 12:50 AM
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:13 PM,
> Micheal Turner <wh1t3h4t3@...oo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > Its evil. Making people believe that someone is dead,
> publicly, and placing obituaries online shows no regard for
> the thoughts & feelings of the person being trolled or
> the others who may read them.
> >
> > In a community where whispers and hear-say can even
> get SANS to look for an OpenSSH 0day "doing-the-rounds",
> spreading 'misinformation' about a well-liked individual who
> worked on a project for the community is unpleasant - making
> out they are dead is just horrible.
> >
> > There are people at the end of the computers. Don't
> ever forget it.
> >
> 
> This is kind of a silly tangent to be having an argument
> about on this
> list, so I'll try to make this my last comment on the
> matter.
> 
> It may be a little semantic, but I feel you're confusing
> wickedness
> with a lack of empathy. Evil implies that the intent behind
> the prank
> was to cause emotional harm. It's certainly detestable that
> the prank
> was based in making people assume that str0ke was dead, but
> I'm
> doubtful that the purpose of its spread was to cause harm.
> I hate to
> be That Guy That Explains The Joke, but I'm pretty sure the
> purpose
> was to mock the fact that a) str0ke has been quiet for a
> long while
> publicly and b) milw0rm hasn't been updated for a lengthy
> period of
> time for yet-to-be explained reasons. (I think v3n0m piped
> in a while
> back and said they were taking care of the backlog, but
> that's about
> all I remember.)
> 
> While the line between apathy towards others' emotions and
> intent to
> truly cause harm to one's emotions can be blurred, I don't
> think it's
> particularly fair to call the perpetrators of this prank
> evil. "Evil"
> is taking joy in the suffering of others. The intent of
> trolling is to
> get a specific reaction from a crafted falsehood or
> comment-- it
> doesn't necessarily follow that the expected reaction here
> was
> emotional harm. So given the circumstances, I feel it's
> more accurate
> to say they just simply didn't care.
> 


      

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