full-disclosure - Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street

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Message-ID: <6583.1257389321@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:48:41 -0500
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
To: Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@...rr.com>
Cc: full-disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:42:37 CST, Paul Schmehl said:
> You and millions of others love to conflate those issues with warrantless
> surveillance of US citizens for the purpose of obtaining evidence in a criminal
> investigation and then scream bloody murder about warrantless surveillance and
> intrusions of our rights.

OK, so in your opinion we should sit back and accept the legal theory that "I'm
the President, and as Commander in Chief I can give orders contrary to the
usual 4th Amendment restrictions" (note carefully that there was *NOT* an
actual formal declaration of war made - Congress merely authorized the use of
force. Many constitutional law experts seem to think this makes a difference).

So it is OK if as President, he decides to suspend habeus corpus?

If it's *not* OK, how do you intend to complain once your corpus can't
be habeased any more?

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" -- Thomas Jefferson.

In other words, the time to raise a fuss is *before* they go down the
slippery slope, not once they're 3/4 of the way down and in an uncontrolled
slide.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a
cross." -- Sinclair Lewis, 1935

And that's why we raise a fuss.  You may wish to read Naomi Wolf's "Fascist
America in 10 easy steps":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment

And that's why we raise a fuss.

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