full-disclosure - Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:04:41 +1100
From: "Ivan ." <ivanhec@...il.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
Cc: full-disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WourPs56Shc

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:48 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:42:37 CST, Paul Schmehl said:
> > You and millions of others love to conflate those issues with warrantless
> > surveillance of US citizens for the purpose of obtaining evidence in a
> criminal
> > investigation and then scream bloody murder about warrantless
> surveillance and
> > intrusions of our rights.
>
> OK, so in your opinion we should sit back and accept the legal theory that
> "I'm
> the President, and as Commander in Chief I can give orders contrary to the
> usual 4th Amendment restrictions" (note carefully that there was *NOT* an
> actual formal declaration of war made - Congress merely authorized the use
> of
> force. Many constitutional law experts seem to think this makes a
> difference).
>
> So it is OK if as President, he decides to suspend habeus corpus?
>
> If it's *not* OK, how do you intend to complain once your corpus can't
> be habeased any more?
>
> "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" -- Thomas Jefferson.
>
> In other words, the time to raise a fuss is *before* they go down the
> slippery slope, not once they're 3/4 of the way down and in an uncontrolled
> slide.
>
> "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a
> cross." -- Sinclair Lewis, 1935
>
> And that's why we raise a fuss.  You may wish to read Naomi Wolf's "Fascist
> America in 10 easy steps":
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment
>
> And that's why we raise a fuss.
>
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