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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:58:11 -0500
From: William Wylde <durtybill@...il.com>
To: Rohit Patnaik <quanticle@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Facebook Police

That's all true.  I was just talking about pleading guilty or nolo contendre
to a charge based on nothing more than a picture.  Of course, in this case,
it's nothing but a fine- and you'd prolly need a lawyer to win, and that'd
cost more than the 200-some-odd dollars the guy had to pay.

It's like when a swine confiscates your cash when you're riding down the
road with that 200-some-odd dollars you were going to pay the last fine
with, and they take a notion to use that good ole federal civil asset
forfeiture law that let's 'em rob anybody  with 200+ dollars in cash in
their pockets.

Fuck the government.

I didn't realize that this list defaulted to sending a reply to the sender
of the message you're responding to.



On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Rohit Patnaik <quanticle@...il.com> wrote:

> You don't need proof to press charges.  All you need is probable cause.
>  Holding a glass, bottle, or can of what
> appears to be an alcoholic beverage probably meets the standard of probable
> cause.  Whether the district attorney's
> office can prove the case in a court of law is a different matter.
>
> --Rohit Patnaik
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 01:01:22PM -0500, William Wylde wrote:
> > Actually, a picture proves absolutely nothing.  Anybody who caves to a
> > charge based on nothing but a picture is dumb.  If it's a drink in a
> glass,
> > there's no way prove that what's in the glass is alcoholic.  If it's in a
> > can or bottle there's also no way to prove it contains alcohol, or
> anything
> > at all in many can.
> >
> > Fuck the government.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Rohit Patnaik <quanticle@...il.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Actually, I'm not sure what the issue is here.  Facebook is a public
> forum.
> > >  Underage drinking is an illegal act.  If
> > > you post evidence of yourself committing an illegal act to a public
> forum,
> > > the police are free to come and arrest you,
> > > and use the pictures that you posted as evidence against you.
> > >
> > > The only complaint here seems to be that the police violated Facebook's
> > > Terms of Service in "friending" these underage
> > > drinkers and gathering evidence against them.  However, I'm not sure
> how
> > > that's illegal in any way.  If it were,
> > > undercover investigations and sting operations of all sorts would be
> > > illegal.
> > >
> > > As I see it, these are kids who were caught out in their own stupidity,
> for
> > > doing something that they know to be
> > > illegal, and then posting pictures.  Now these same kids are whining
> > > because the police were marginally more tech-savvy
> > > than they assumed.
> > >
> > > --Rohit Patnaik
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:32:53AM +0100, netinfinity wrote:
> > > >  "Facebook policy requires the use of one’s real name to sign up, but
> > > > they let the police use fake names.."
> > > >
> > > > Sure the policy says that but a lot of people are changing their
> names
> > > > on a daily basis (ok maybe not daily). And majority of those changes
> > > > are
> > > > just for fun, but never the less they are against the policy. What
> > > > about those people? Only way to verify or check someone's name is
> > > > through IP (ISP). And that can't be done
> > > > by will.. It must have some legal grounds...
> > > >
> > > > Let me get to the point, I'm sure that police is violating some some
> > > > kind of human rights or even law's (?)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > netinfinity
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-- 
--
"I've been such a fool, Vassili. Man will always be a man. There is no
new man. We tried so hard to create a society that was equal, where
there'd be nothing to envy your neighbour. But there's always something
to envy. A smile, a friendship, something you don't have and want to
appropriate. In this world, even a Soviet one, there will always be rich
and poor. Rich in gifts, poor in gifts. Rich in love, poor in love." --
Commisar Danilov, "Enemy at the Gates"

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