Message-ID: <8826b4700911300644q4811c18au36343db1dce3059a@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:44:34 +0000
From: James Rankin <kz20fl@...glemail.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The Cyber War Conspiracy

I don't know whether it is tragic, or tragi-comic, that N3tty has clearly
been sat around foaming at the mouth at the stark realization that he is
banned from this mailing list since January 2009, and conducting
ever-more-elaborate fantasies in his mind as to what is going on in the
world. Seriously, this guy needs to get a life, a job, or a Facebook
account, or something, because he is clearly well off the map.

If you're desperate, I can pay you to come and monitor my IronPort for me.
It's security-related, and it'll keep you from hanging around worrying about
contract killers.

Regards,





JR

2009/11/30 <full-disclosure@...e-mail.net>

> It is my understanding the "security industry" would like nothing better
> than a cyber war to kick off, mass profit, mass employment, mass political
> capital to hit "cyber security" into the main stream of society to strike at
> the heart of the single mom and retired couple crowd.
>
> Cyber War is a touchy subject if you ask any "security professional" they
> don't like people saying straight out "cyber war is bullshit". They get
> emotional about it, its as if they want it to happen. I see a build up
> towards "Cyber War", the people in power such as Gadi Evron, he wants a
> Cyber War its all he talks about. He was the first person to draw
> conclusions out of fine air and were quick to blame the Russians for
> Estonia, even though there was no evidence.
>
> Just like 9/11, you knew it was an inside job because they announced within
> 24 hours they _knew_ it was Al-Qaeda even though they weren't able to stop
> the attack if they knew so much about it.
>
> Estonia turned out to be a kid in his bedroom with some bot net command &
> control, not the actual work of a super power.
>
> SANS want Cyber War, they asked the CIA to come to their SCADA conference
> in 2008 to puke up a bunch of non-sense that Hackers had darkened cities,
> infact the event never happened or took place it was shear propaganda,
> misleading bullshit to build up the path for "Cyber War".
>
> "No cyberwar yet, but soon, says firm" a headline says on Securityfocus---
> This is a warning that something bad is about to happen. A cyber 9/11? The
> security industry need cyber war, the hacker scene is falling flat before
> our eyes there is no spectacular-event happened for a while, virus outbreaks
> and worms just don't happen like they used to to keep "cyber security" in
> high profile.
>
> The pro-propaganda for "cyber security" is running out, the security
> industry is crying out for a cyber 9/11 scale event and thats what scares
> me.
>
> One of the first things Obama took seriously when he went into the White
> House was Cyber Security, and remember the Marcus Sachs video even before
> the election, you could hear it in his words, you could see it in his body
> language, folks in power in cyber security want to get cyber security into
> the main stream media. Marcus Sachs asked how can we put cyber security
> infront of the media? Cyber security isn't something that is talked about in
> the media, how can we put it infront of the media and the next
> administration, he said.
>
> I trust Marcus Sachs like I trust a convicted paedophile. People like Joel
> Esler tried to defend him to me, how can you say such things about such a
> nice guy. But isn't everyone a nice guy on the surface? It's not until you
> really dig in and see the other side to a person and everyone has another
> side to them.
>
> If people like Marcus Sachs are advising Obama right now on cyber security,
> be afraid very afraid. Remember this is the guy who has a picture of himself
> shaking the hand of George W. Bush on his home page, and smiling about it.
>
> Because I said all this stuff previously I was attacked on this list, got
> banned by John Cartwright... there is a cover-up going on. My conclusions
> aren't sharp but they were on the right course, and they didn't want to risk
> the chance that I got something accurate, so they setup a bunch of aliases
> on here to provoke me into "troll style", to get people to think I was just
> an annoying twat and no value to this mailing list.
>
> The same people tried to say I was some screwball etc, desperately trying
> to get folks not to take anything I say seriously.
>
> They even tried to say I was anti-sec, yes "Ureleet" alias, remember him?
> He is to do with people who are involved with the people im accusing of
> building up towards cyber war. He isn't a random person, he is involved and
> scared that I or the British government might be onto them, they are running
> scared. Even the slightest mention of MI5 / MI6 sent them running scared
> that they have been rumbled and infiltrated by human assets.
>
> I'm serious about cyber security im not a troll and never was, I do have a
> vested interest in this stuff and I do want to collaborate or get hired with
> British intelligence to burst this plot wide open and expose the people
> involved in wanting a cyber 9/11.
>
> So this email address will be banned, more sponsored aliases will come
> along to make fun of n3td3v, post fake psychological profiles and the such
> for the next 11 months?
>
> This is people not trying to stop some kid called "n3td3v" this is a mass
> campaign against me, from the early days of the Neal Krawetz and
> Securityfocus effort to trash me, to the recent Ureleet and John Cartwright
> trying to trash me.
>
> Remember that jdl guy at the hushmail address who had the subject header
> "impersonation is against the law", that was a subject header I had been
> sending to John Cartwright to get something done about folks, then suddenly
> the jdl alias comes onto the list with exactly the same header.
>
> Coincidence? is it hell. John Cartwright is in on it, Ureleet is connected
> to John Cartwright and there is a conspiracy to gag me because I was
> touching home too many truths about the build up towards cyber war and the
> people behind the plot for a cyber 9/11.
>
> It's not kids in their bedrooms with the anti-n3td3v aliases, its these
> guys in the suits conspiring to carry out a cyber 9/11.
>
> The aliases against me, they aren't kids. They are grown men security
> professionals, the same men who don't like being called out and can't even
> use their real names in their campaign against me. I openly post with my
> real name to criticize and still would be using my real name, accept it got
> banned by John Cartwright, the guy who hides behind grok.org.uk and nobody
> knows anything about, hiding in the shadows while banning anyone from this
> list who remotely gets close to the political truth.
>
> If you look back to January 2009 when "n3td3v" got banned it was exactly at
> the point where I wasn't believing in cyber war. I am the only person to be
> banned from this mailing list, you've got to ask yourself why. All I done
> was "full disclosure" which is what this list is about, but the people in
> power don't like it when its full disclosure of them not other people.
>
> Like the Mossad and Funsec, they don't like that mentioned on full
> disclosure. It's full disclosure of information, but because it involves
> something not liked because it exposes them, then its not accepted.
>
> You need to look into the real reasons n3td3v got banned and its nothing to
> do with what you think is the reason of someone with no value to the mailing
> list. Who dare say which disclosures are value and who's aren't.
>
> So already you're seeing evidence this mailing list is corrupt and the
> person running it panicking because his friends over at SANS and other
> places are being exposed for their crave for cyber war and a cyber 9/11
> event to take place.
>
> Valdis isn't a random person either, hes proved hes pro-cyber war with a
> vested interest against me saying any of this stuff.
>
> Look at the people against me, then investigate their role in the ring of
> power thats developing in the cyber security vaccum.
>
> This is probably the last you'll see of the real n3td3v because there is
> sure to be a contract killer out to silence me.
>
> There have already been discreet warnings, like in the mp3 that was posted
> by <vomithatsteve () yahoo com>, it said mi6 were going to kill me, they
> actually ment U.S Intelligence, but put MI6 in its place just to screw with
> British Intelligence even more.
>
> And the warning by - o z - <osgo () hotmail com> and reposted by sahalderf
> at ymail.com that said "Solutions:  There's a few, but I wouldn't want to
> be responsible for the end result"
>
> If I was just some kid troll, would any of this have gone on for so long?
> How many years is it now? There will be no let down, there has been no
> trolling apart from the times the sponsored aliases have frustrated me into
> a flame to distract me from posting what I wanted to post that was hitting
> the political truth too much.
>
> There is more going on than you can see, this is a war at the moment of
> words because there are vested interest groups out there wanting cyber war
> to advance the security industry, while there are people like me who are
> monitoring these guys and seeing their intentions and they don't like anyone
> who is exposing them and me wanting to stop them from carrying out
> cyber-war/terrorism to advance the security industry.
>
> Expect more people impersonating me, signing as my real life name etc...
> mock psycho analysis emails being post by people who are too cowardly to use
> their real name, they aren't kids, they are the political elite trying to
> make sure anything I say is trashed.
>
> I am saving the world from the people who claim to be saving the world, but
> how can they be saving the world if they are planning a cyber event to push
> forward the advancement of the cyber security industry?
>
> Cue all the sponsored aliases who are out to get me, by the time you read
> this email address will already be banned.
>
> Just listen to the State of the Internet 2009 panel podcast by SANS, they
> got an audience to laugh out loud when they kept mentioning my n3td3v name,
> the recording is available on the internet as a podcast, this isn't just
> people annoyed about some kid on full-disclosure mailing list, this is part
> of a sophisticated campaign against me which started in 2006.
>
> This is unprecedented the amount of effort gone into trashing some apparent
> kid called "n3td3v", if I was just some kid they wouldn't be going to the
> lengths they have to trash me.
>
> This mailing list is part of corruption, the corruption that is covering up
> n3td3v and sweeping him under the carpet and throwing him away.
>
> My last words to you is, don't let this matter rest, they have got rid of
> n3td3v, but there are bound to be people who will investigate what im
> saying, and I hope they do. Because my last request before I finish this
> rant is, don't forget the things ive been talking about and continue to
> investigate people while im gone.
>
> This is serious the political elite are planning a cyber-event and it seems
> nobody is out to stop it or being proactive about raising concern about it
> apart from me.
>
> I'm the only one ranting about this stuff, but why haven't we got more
> people sounding the alarm the alarm that the build up is happening and there
> is nothing to stop it.
>
> I was banned in January, isn't it strange 11 months later the political
> elite still have their sponsored aliases trying to run "n3td3v" completely
> into the ground. They even impersonated my real name and a British
> intelligence agency, and who's always been right behind anti-n3td3v aliases
> as a back up reply? Yes Valdis, hes always there, always there to reply to
> give support to them.
>
> All I say is investigate whats going on against this so-called kid called
> n3td3v, surely there is more to it than just trying to get me off a mailing
> list cause of some "noise" excuse.
>
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