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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:12:04 +1100
From: Jeff Williams <>
To: Shyaam <>,
Subject: Re: IE 0day for sale

And the question is now:
should the Mossad, NSA, etc be considered as bad guys ?

2009/12/12 Jeff Williams <>

> If idefense pay 7000$ for a RCE on IE, it's possibly because they sell
> theses bugs to the NSA, MOSSAD, MI10 ?
> From my understanding, MS do not pay for any reported vulnerability, or
> maybe i missed the "make a donation" icon on idefense website ?
> 2009/12/12 Shyaam <>
> :) Good one Valdis. That is what I was exactly trying to do.
>> #1. If his intent was good, he would have sent it to the vendor and to the
>> US Cert.
>> #2. His aim is to get money:
>>       a. Instead of selling it directly to black market and not getting
>> any returns, or having some legal agency stepping onto his doors he could as
>> well sell it to these companies.
>>       b. These companies DO NOT sell stuff to BLACK MARKET. Straighten
>> your facts before you accuse any of the below:
>> zdi,idefense,securiteam,immunity,etc. They have better things to do than to
>> sell it off to the bad guys.
>> Besides, many people have that kind of a notion only because there are
>> many hollywood movie fanatics out there, who suspect every single entity
>> around you.
>> Thanks for your creative response though :). You really cracked me up :)
>> Shyaam
>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:31 AM, <> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:13:52 EST, Jeff Williams said:
>>> > zdi,idefense,securiteam,immunity,etc is a front, your exploit will
>>> anyways
>>> > end up on the blackmarket by selling it to theses company.
>>> > How can you be that naive ?
>>> You're talking to somebody willing to sell to the highest bidder on F-D.
>>> Draw your own conclusions about whether they actually care if it ends up
>>> on
>>> the black market.

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