full-disclosure - Re: go public to avoid jail

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 11:27:41 -0500
From: Marsh Ray <marsh@...endedsubset.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: go public to avoid jail

If your knife is found in a dead body, you've going to have some
explaining to do.

If it turns out that you're a restaurant supply business that sells 3000
of that model knife a week, then you don't have a problem.

If your buddy comes to you and says "I'm going to go stab some people
and take their money will you construct for me a custom knife
particularly well-suited for that purpose" and you say "sure, here you
go, heh, no charge this time" and this conversation is recorded as
evidence then both of you are going to get prosecuted.

No one (seriously, no one) is going to be the least bit impressed by the
"factories sell knives all the time" argument. The point is that you
knew this specific knife was intended to be used in for this purpose and
you decided to go out of your way to help.

Hacking/pen-test tools can definitely push the gray area a bit, but the
custom-knife-in-dead-body example does not.

- Marsh

On 5/3/2010 5:34 AM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
> No, I'm being damn realistic. If it weren't me providing a knife to "my
> buddy" it would be someone else, or some kitchen drawer.
> 
> Also, why do I go to jail, not the shop owner that sold me the knife? Or the
> factory owner?
> 
> It's this guy that should be liable to the crime, not the provider.
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Ed Carp <erc@...ox.com> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, stop it.  If you give your buddy a knife, knowing they're going to
>> go out and stab someone with it, you're going to jail, too.  Stop
>> playing the fool.
>>
> 
> 
> 
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