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Message-ID: <4C208503.7060207@propergander.org.uk>
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:40:19 +0100
From: mrx <mrx@...pergander.org.uk>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: No anti-virus software? No internet connection

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I agree in principal, security does start with the user.

However, computers and connected computing devices with the advent of
locked down systems and cartoon like user interfaces, have become consumer devices.

These devices no longer require any knowledge of how they work nor skill beyond
basic reading and rudimentary hand eye co-ordination to operate. They are being
used by six year olds and grandmothers, IT security guru's and those with learning
difficulties.

This is true of the Internet also, it is a consumer playground.

Hardware, software and system developers have done a great job in making all this power
and connectivity available to those who can't or don't want to think. But a features first,
security second approach seems all too prevalent. It's only the stuff on show that sells!

Should the security of complex consumer devices be the responsibility of a potentially incompetent user,
or the developers of such systems who are fully aware of the failings in their target audience?

regards

On 22/06/2010 09:56, Christian Sciberras wrote:
> I completely agree with Tom. A good fraction of all vulns out there rely on
> the user taking the wrong action, and it's way common (just face the truth).
> 
> How many people install cracked OSes? I was once incredulous that a person
> willingly installed a virus because he claimed it was harmless (while the
> anti-virus shouted "trojan").
> 
> Sometimes I get to fix people's computers. I'm always amazed by the amount
> of crap I get in contact with.  Hundreds of browser toolbars, antiviruses,
> shareware, adware, trials, torrent clients, media players etc.
> That not counting the local IT shops which format PCs replacing (typically)
> Windows OS with a cracked one.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Tom Grace <tom@...thbycomputers.co.uk>wrote:
> 
>> In a way having a requirement that end-users take some responsibility
>> for their own computer is a good thing.
>> Similar to prosecuting people for fraud if they fall for one of the cash
>> scams.
>>
>> On 06/22/2010 05:37 AM, Ivan . wrote:
>>> yep, your tax $$$ at work....
>>>
>>> Don't forget there Internet filter as well.. With these rocket
>>> scientist running the show, what's there to worry about
>>>
>>>
>> http://blogs.news.com.au/techblog/index.php/news/comments/finally_theres_protection_against_spams_and_scams
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jubei Trippataka
>>> <vpn.1.fanatic@...il.com>  wrote:
>>>> They had a committee working on this for a year and that's the best they
>>>> could come up with? HAHAHAHA.
>>>>
>>>> Belinda Neal - With idiots like you and your colleagues tackling this
>> issue,
>>>> tax payers deserve to burn you at the stake. BTW... are you really a
>> du0d?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ciao
>>>>
>>>> JT
>>>>
>>>
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- -- 
Mankind's systems are white sticks tapping walls.
Thanks Roy
http://www.propergander.org.uk
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