Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:28:40 +0100
From: Tom Grace <tom@...thbycomputers.co.uk>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: No anti-virus software? No internet connection

What would you advise a typical home user do to stay virus/trojan/other 
shit free ? Working on the assumption that they can't tell the 
difference (and really, shouldn't have to) between dangerous and safe 
files.
AV software is pretty lacking, and the best advice I can think to give 
users is that "everyone on the Internet is out to get you"

Tom

On 06/22/2010 10:11 AM, Cor Rosielle wrote:
> Brilliant thinking. Let’s install anti virus and increase the computers
> attack surface without further thinking. That must be safe because
> politicians tell us to do so. And we all know that politicians always tell
> the truth and happen to know a lot about PC’s an security.
>
> Sigh. Tom has a point that end-users must take some responsibility for their
> own computer, but that doesn't mean that anti virus is the one and only
> solution. But if you think anti virus is the silver bullet to make this
> world saver, then dream your dreams and I'll dream mine.
>
> Cor
>
>
>
> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Christian
> Sciberras
> Sent: dinsdag 22 juni 2010 10:56
> To: Tom Grace
> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] No anti-virus software? No internet
> connection
>
> I completely agree with Tom. A good fraction of all vulns out there rely on
> the user taking the wrong action, and it's way common (just face the truth).
>
> How many people install cracked OSes? I was once incredulous that a person
> willingly installed a virus because he claimed it was harmless (while the
> anti-virus shouted "trojan").
>
> Sometimes I get to fix people's computers. I'm always amazed by the amount
> of crap I get in contact with.  Hundreds of browser toolbars, antiviruses,
> shareware, adware, trials, torrent clients, media players etc.
> That not counting the local IT shops which format PCs replacing (typically)
> Windows OS with a cracked one.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Tom Grace<tom@...thbycomputers.co.uk>
> wrote:
> In a way having a requirement that end-users take some responsibility
> for their own computer is a good thing.
> Similar to prosecuting people for fraud if they fall for one of the cash
> scams.
>
> On 06/22/2010 05:37 AM, Ivan . wrote:
>> yep, your tax $$$ at work....
>>
>> Don't forget there Internet filter as well.. With these rocket
>> scientist running the show, what's there to worry about
>>
>>
> http://blogs.news.com.au/techblog/index.php/news/comments/finally_theres_pro
> tection_against_spams_and_scams
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jubei Trippataka
>> <vpn.1.fanatic@...il.com>    wrote:
>>> They had a committee working on this for a year and that's the best they
>>> could come up with? HAHAHAHA.
>>>
>>> Belinda Neal - With idiots like you and your colleagues tackling this
> issue,
>>> tax payers deserve to burn you at the stake. BTW... are you really a
> du0d?
>>>
>>> --
>>> ciao
>>>
>>> JT
>>>
>>
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