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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:11:16 +0200
From: "Cor Rosielle" <cor@...post24.com>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: No anti-virus software? No internet connection

Brilliant thinking. Lets install anti virus and increase the computers
attack surface without further thinking. That must be safe because
politicians tell us to do so. And we all know that politicians always tell
the truth and happen to know a lot about PCs an security.

Sigh. Tom has a point that end-users must take some responsibility for their
own computer, but that doesn't mean that anti virus is the one and only
solution. But if you think anti virus is the silver bullet to make this
world saver, then dream your dreams and I'll dream mine.

Cor

From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Christian
Sciberras
Sent: dinsdag 22 juni 2010 10:56
To: Tom Grace
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] No anti-virus software? No internet
connection

I completely agree with Tom. A good fraction of all vulns out there rely on
the user taking the wrong action, and it's way common (just face the truth).

How many people install cracked OSes? I was once incredulous that a person
willingly installed a virus because he claimed it was harmless (while the
anti-virus shouted "trojan").

Sometimes I get to fix people's computers. I'm always amazed by the amount
of crap I get in contact with.  Hundreds of browser toolbars, antiviruses,
shareware, adware, trials, torrent clients, media players etc.
That not counting the local IT shops which format PCs replacing (typically)
Windows OS with a cracked one.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Tom Grace <tom@...thbycomputers.co.uk>
wrote:
In a way having a requirement that end-users take some responsibility
for their own computer is a good thing.
Similar to prosecuting people for fraud if they fall for one of the cash
scams.

On 06/22/2010 05:37 AM, Ivan . wrote:
> yep, your tax $$$ at work....
>
> Don't forget there Internet filter as well.. With these rocket
> scientist running the show, what's there to worry about
>
>
http://blogs.news.com.au/techblog/index.php/news/comments/finally_theres_pro
tection_against_spams_and_scams
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jubei Trippataka
> <vpn.1.fanatic@...il.com>  wrote:
>> They had a committee working on this for a year and that's the best they
>> could come up with? HAHAHAHA.
>>
>> Belinda Neal - With idiots like you and your colleagues tackling this
issue,
>> tax payers deserve to burn you at the stake. BTW... are you really a
du0d?
>>
>> --
>> ciao
>>
>> JT
>>
>
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