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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:22:37 +0200
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
To: Iadnah Enoch <iadnah@...inklounge.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Congratulations Andrew

Disillusioning oneself about freedom is getting old. You see, your
(proposed) perception of freedom is nothing less then the result of what you
call oppression.
Since nowadays a call-to-arms is as easy as calling the local news agency, I
very much doubt the randomness ("freedom") of your choice - ie; you got hurt
and tried crying in the hope of something positive happens.

As to "real computer research", please define or specify what you mean by
broad statements. I would assume that by "real computer research <snip> [by]
youths" you mean a "clan" which shares "cheats" on how to get into systems -
hardly professional, and what today many are labeling as "script kiddy
stuff".

There's a reason why they're "demonizing" [this behavior], which is because
it doesn't help at all.
Let's compare getting into some system as the same as getting into a bank
vault.
You could ask a bank to simulate a robbery and at the very least, return
what you stole.
Happens those "youth hackers" don't return what they stole.

For instance, do I really need to print 2k pages of emails for proving a
vulnerability?
We're talking about a freakin 2000 pages worth of emails. The affected
company can't trust the hackers even if it wanted.
But wait a second, we're talking about underground hackers which would share
emails but not divulge it. OK. Right.

Lastly, as I already said, an illegal activity doesn't give me the right to
commit a (possibly) even worse one.
So as a hacker do I get the right to sell and make use of illegal drugs?

Case closed.





On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Iadnah Enoch <iadnah@...inklounge.com>wrote:

> Perhaps we should be looking at/analysing the corruption, flaws, etc. in
> the legal systems of various countries instead of gloating about various
> people who are probably not malicious individuals being slammed by the
> system. This sort of community used to be about freedoms, counter-culture,
> and that sort of thing. Have we all forgotten our heritage?
>
> Real computer security research of any sort is being demonized in the West
> to the point that fewer and fewer youths are exploring it like they used to.
> This is creating a very large deficit in our intellectual culture that puts
> Western soceity at a serious disadvantage to the rest of the world,
> especially with the hacktivism and general hacker interest that seems to be
> proliferating in the Muslim world, the Eastern Block, and China.
>  On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Benji <me@...ji.com> wrote:
>
>>  Same thing?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 25 Jun 2010, at 08:34, Ed Carp <edcarp@...il.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Auernheimer was also arrested in March for giving a false name to law
>> enforcement officers responding to a parking complaint.
>>
>> Idiot.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad, probably mobile
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Christian Sciberras < <uuf6429@...il.com>
>> uuf6429@...il.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Riiiight. Who do you think would buy/bite that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Escher Auernheimer <<gluttony@...il.com><gluttony@...il.com>
>> gluttony@...il.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rejoice in a righteous man's persecution at your peril.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, T Biehn < <tbiehn@...il.com><tbiehn@...il.com>
>>> tbiehn@...il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ouch dude:
>>>> <http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/23/tor-g20-arrest.html><http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/23/tor-g20-arrest.html>
>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/23/tor-g20-arrest.html
>>>>
>>>> Guess you ate a dick too.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Byron Sonne < <blsonne@...vdan.com><blsonne@...vdan.com>
>>>> blsonne@...vdan.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > Looks like Andrew/weev/n3td3v finally gets to do what he likes the
>>>>> most
>>>>> > Performing fellatio on his fellow inmates
>>>>> > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/16/auernheimer_arrested/><http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/16/auernheimer_arrested/>
>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/16/auernheimer_arrested/
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh man, pretty sweet! I've been waiting years to see weev eat a dick,
>>>>> and the time has come at last.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe there is a god.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>     Byron L. Sonne :: <blsonne@...vdan.com> <blsonne@...vdan.com>
>>>>> blsonne@...vdan.com :: <http://www.halvdan.com/><http://www.halvdan.com/>
>>>>> www.halvdan.com
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