Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:35:19 -0500
From: David Alanis <canito@...an.us>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Congratulations Andrew

I can see both points but what I understood is that the hacking  
community of the days in which people hacked hardware and wrote  
software which made it work better was what Ladnah referred to?

e.g.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7707585592627775409#

And I also agree with Christian in that I don't want my identity  
stolen for any ones sake, or learning purposes..

However we do need to take a step back and realize that as human  
beings are relying way to much on technology which we know is far from  
perfect.

To add to Ladnah's point I think we should hold the Software companies  
responsible for if a weakness in their software allows an intruder to  
steal my identity which ultimately leads to emotional distress. I  
think adequate compensation would be justified.


Quoting Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>:

> Disillusioning oneself about freedom is getting old. You see, your
> (proposed) perception of freedom is nothing less then the result of what you
> call oppression.
> Since nowadays a call-to-arms is as easy as calling the local news agency, I
> very much doubt the randomness ("freedom") of your choice - ie; you got hurt
> and tried crying in the hope of something positive happens.
>
> As to "real computer research", please define or specify what you mean by
> broad statements. I would assume that by "real computer research <snip> [by]
> youths" you mean a "clan" which shares "cheats" on how to get into systems -
> hardly professional, and what today many are labeling as "script kiddy
> stuff".
>
> There's a reason why they're "demonizing" [this behavior], which is because
> it doesn't help at all.
> Let's compare getting into some system as the same as getting into a bank
> vault.
> You could ask a bank to simulate a robbery and at the very least, return
> what you stole.
> Happens those "youth hackers" don't return what they stole.
>
> For instance, do I really need to print 2k pages of emails for proving a
> vulnerability?
> We're talking about a freakin 2000 pages worth of emails. The affected
> company can't trust the hackers even if it wanted.
> But wait a second, we're talking about underground hackers which would share
> emails but not divulge it. OK. Right.
>
> Lastly, as I already said, an illegal activity doesn't give me the right to
> commit a (possibly) even worse one.
> So as a hacker do I get the right to sell and make use of illegal drugs?
>
> Case closed.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Iadnah Enoch <iadnah@...inklounge.com>wrote:
>
>> Perhaps we should be looking at/analysing the corruption, flaws, etc. in
>> the legal systems of various countries instead of gloating about various
>> people who are probably not malicious individuals being slammed by the
>> system. This sort of community used to be about freedoms, counter-culture,
>> and that sort of thing. Have we all forgotten our heritage?
>>
>> Real computer security research of any sort is being demonized in the West
>> to the point that fewer and fewer youths are exploring it like they used to.
>> This is creating a very large deficit in our intellectual culture that puts
>> Western soceity at a serious disadvantage to the rest of the world,
>> especially with the hacktivism and general hacker interest that seems to be
>> proliferating in the Muslim world, the Eastern Block, and China.
>>  On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Benji <me@...ji.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Same thing?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 25 Jun 2010, at 08:34, Ed Carp <edcarp@...il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Auernheimer was also arrested in March for giving a false name to law
>>> enforcement officers responding to a parking complaint.
>>>
>>> Idiot.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad, probably mobile
>>>
>>> On Jun 25, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Christian Sciberras < <uuf6429@...il.com>
>>> uuf6429@...il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Riiiight. Who do you think would buy/bite that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Escher Auernheimer   
>>> <<gluttony@...il.com><gluttony@...il.com>
>>> gluttony@...il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rejoice in a righteous man's persecution at your peril.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM, T Biehn <   
>>>> <tbiehn@...il.com><tbiehn@...il.com>
>>>> tbiehn@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ouch dude:
>>>>> <http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/23/tor-g20-arrest.html><http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/23/tor-g20-arrest.html>
>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/23/tor-g20-arrest.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess you ate a dick too.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Byron Sonne <   
>>>>> <blsonne@...vdan.com><blsonne@...vdan.com>
>>>>> blsonne@...vdan.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > Looks like Andrew/weev/n3td3v finally gets to do what he likes the
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> > Performing fellatio on his fellow inmates
>>>>>> >   
>>>>>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/16/auernheimer_arrested/><http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/16/auernheimer_arrested/>
>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/16/auernheimer_arrested/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh man, pretty sweet! I've been waiting years to see weev eat a dick,
>>>>>> and the time has come at last.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe there is a god.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> blsonne@...vdan.com ::   
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