full-disclosure - Re: [funsec] The Economist, cyber war issue

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Message-ID: <72F9A69DCF990443B2CEC064E605CE06085800@Pascal.zaphodb.org>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:58:29 -0700
From: "Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb@...neit.net>
To: "coderman" <coderman@...il.com>
Cc: funsec@...uxbox.org, full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk,
	Joel Esler <joel.esler@...com>, Gadi Evron <ge@...uxbox.org>
Subject: Re: [funsec] The Economist, cyber war issue



> -----Original Message-----
> From: coderman [mailto:coderman@...il.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: Tomas L. Byrnes
> Cc: Joel Esler; Gadi Evron; funsec@...uxbox.org; full-
> disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [funsec] The Economist, cyber war issue
> 
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes <tomb@...neit.net>
> wrote:
> > ...
> > What is needed is a cyberspace version of an armed citizenry.
> 
> what is needed is preparedness and rapid repair.
[Tomas L. Byrnes] 

That would be part of my definition of " a cyberspace version of an
armed citizenry"

 the science and
> you
> won't survive with top down prescriptive remedies.
> 
[Tomas L. Byrnes] 
Agreed wholeheartedly. It was kind of my point.

> resilience as emergent property of preparedness in process and
> property is the only rational approach. this implies forethought and
> competence, which is sorely lacking in any technical endeavor
> involving the public gamut.
> 
[Tomas L. Byrnes] 
Not sure I agree there. I think the real problem is resources. It's just
too plain complex and expensive for the average Joe/Jose/Jean etc. to
stay on top of things.

> a million Sarah Palins with "cyberweapons" to protect the populace?
> 
[Tomas L. Byrnes] 
Nope, hundreds of millions of people protecting their own property, and
sharing information with each other, and thereby a network effect of
protecting their neighbors and the 'net at large.

It works very well where concealed carry is allowed as well, btw, as
even those who don't carry are protected by the disruption to criminals
plans caused by the lack of knowledge of who is and isn't armed.

> 
> 
> > Pardon my arrogance [ignorance],..
> 
the math doesn't lie...
> 
[Tomas L. Byrnes] 
So the solution is to take what is currently an NP-complete problem for
individual nodes: string matching and behavioral analysis; and turn it
into a bounded problem across all participating nodes: analysis of WHO
is bad (out of the 4B IPs, and order of magnitude smaller number of
connected networks), NOW, and share that information in an actionable
timeframe. It won't stop all attacks, but it will clamp them faster, and
limit the window of vulnerability. That's what ThreatSTOP was built to
do.

> P.P.S. the "War in the fifth domain" article at least touches on these
> realities, while the "Cyberwar" leader is utter trash. 
[Tomas L. Byrnes] 
The article itself is a decent "survey" article, skipping like a stone
across the surface of the issue. The conclusion: it's time for "arms
control" on the Internet, is neither practical, nor even supported by
the article's text.


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