Message-ID: <AANLkTi=DKoRviWUmbyLWT3r9QRe-yHHaLVAb+5bw5nVA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 03:30:41 -0600
From: Andrew Auernheimer <gluttony@...il.com>
To: huj huj huj <datskihuj@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Lee Vartan,
 Assistant United States Attorney in regards to the Goatse Security
 iPad case.

Yawn, another nobody continuing to libel me. I've never performed any
such thing, nor attempted to sell trojaned computers. Continuing to
assert blatant falsehoods only lends credence to my case. Who are you?
What have you done that means anything or helps the world?

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:24 AM, huj huj huj <datskihuj@...il.com> wrote:
> "and keeping US citizens safe from Russian and Chinese organized crime"
>
> "Beyond this, I can't tell you the number of chink and russki botnet CNCs
> we've popped over the years. As soon as the federales give back our
> illegally stolen machines, I'll give you all the evidence you want of it.
> We have years and years of good public service under our belts. Do you?"
>
> hahahahaha you're simply too funny
>
> what you mean is you dumped your own shitty trojan on their systems (the
> ones you couldnt sell...)
>
> we all remember your rant about having 3k mac osx machines for sale
>
> fucking retard you're forgetting that information on the internet doesnt go
> away
>
> you are a joke and you make me laugh
>
>
> keep it up :)
>
>
>
> 2010/11/18 Andrew Auernheimer <gluttony@...il.com>
>>
>> "The reality is that you are inconsequential to security because you
>> are a script kiddie."
>>
>> Perhaps you are confused as to what this term means. Script kiddies
>> are people who do not produce innovation of their own, and solely run
>> things downloaded from Packetstorm. I have repeatedly stood up and
>> done unique things to advance my nation, not just in information
>> security but in an interdisciplinary manner. As far as my
>> accomplishments in information security, I recently watched one of
>> Samy Kamkar's presentations at Blackhat that cites our group
>> repeatedly. One of our advisories is mentioned in his slides:
>> http://i.imgur.com/YIl9I.jpg
>> and he also states that cross-protocol scripting was "made big" by us.
>>
>> What about Robert Hansen/RSnake? He said "I don’t see anyone outside
>> of a handful of people, like Weev, Wade Alcorn, Samy Kumkar, Aaron
>> Weaver and myself doing this kind of research. There’s literally
>> thousands of potentially exploitable services out there!" --
>>
>> http://ha.ckers.org/blog/20100329/safari-integer-overflow-aids-inter-protocol-exploitation/
>>
>> RSnake is well respected in the security community. Does he suddenly
>> not know what he's talking about just for recognizing the validity of
>> my research? I have stacks of internal government memos highlighting
>> the implications of stuff we've outlined-- clearly a number of people
>> think the things that we're doing are notable and have real world
>> implications.
>>
>> I do not post on this list looking for sympathy-- quite the opposite.
>> Unlike you, I believe in free speech, and even want to give my deepest
>> critics a chance to hop into the dialogue.
>> Finally, your profession deserves to be cheapened. I've actually
>> attempted to innovate, and who are you? Oh yeah, you're some dude that
>> hits a button on Core Impact for a living. There are a number of
>> amazing individuals in the information security community doing great
>> things, but for every one of them there's a hundred snake-oil peddling
>> losers who are the real scriptkiddies. Though dated, the PHC
>> production of the same name rings true for individuals such as
>> yourself. Maybe you should read it and it'll challenge you to actually
>> do something useful instead of tossing ad hominems on a mailing list:
>>
>> http://antisec.wordpress.com/2005/12/18/hack4txt-a-phc-production-the-real-scriptkiddies/
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:10 PM, R S <fifteenfourtyone@...il.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Speaking for only myself, I could care less about your personal /
>> > political views. The reality is you are inconsequential to security because
>> > you are a script kiddie. I had read articles about your various high profile
>> > 'trolling' incidents before, but until your asinine post here had never
>> > bothered to research you. What I've read was nothing but humorous. At one
>> > point you claim to hate bloggers, yet in a pre Web 2.0 world, you and your
>> > Encyclopedia Dramatica generation script kiddies would have no notoriety at
>> > all. Nobody would care about your bizarre high profile cries for attention,
>> > and personally, I certainly don't.
>> > You are a troll and a script kiddie. Your whiney rants have no place on
>> > a mailing list for the security community. I'm sure the kids that support
>> > you on various forums eat your crap up, but you will find little sympathy
>> > here. You claim constantly to hunt pedophiles, thats great. Somehow I'm sure
>> > most people in prison have done good in their lives as well as bad.
>> > Hopefully, if my tax dollars do their job, you will have plenty of time in
>> > the near future to contemplate all of this in jail.
>> > Grow up kiddo. Personally I resent how you and your ilk cheapen this
>> > profession, and applaud law enforcement for doing their job.
>> >
>> >
>> > R
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Andrew Auernheimer <gluttony () gmail com>
>> > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:06:02 -0600
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > Troy,
>> >
>> > As with many of my critics, you insist on attempting to libel me and
>> > defame
>> > my character (clearly having an objection to my political views) instead
>> > of
>> > honestly debating the merits of my actions and the reality of my many
>> > well-received research contributions. I take ad hominem attacks like
>> > yours
>> > in stride with the civility and grace befitting of a Christian man, and
>> > urge
>> > you to think more critically before you say more things that
>> > will embarrass you in front of your peers.
>> >
>> > "You see no evidence of"
>> >
>> > Your implication that because you have not seen evidence of something it
>> > has
>> > not happened is fallacious. Regardless, I will enlighten you with some
>> > history of our anti-pedophile activity (with links to backdated posts
>> > pedophile posts detailing our successes against their infrastructure and
>> > payment systems, emails with full headers and evidence of ongoing
>> > pedophile
>> > activity), some of which predates the iPad incident by years.  You
>> > haven't
>> > seen any evidence of it because we, unlike many people, do not wear
>> > every
>> > bit of public service we do on our sleeve. We live in the spirit of
>> > Matthew
>> > 6:6.
>> >
>> >
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