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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:39:03 +0100
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
To: "andrew.wallace" <andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com>
Cc: "Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu" <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu>,
	"\"full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk\"" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: is FD moderated or not? (hint: ask n3td3v)

One question. Who's "you" that you keep referring to all the time?




On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, andrew.wallace <
andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com> wrote:

> Thankfully you are very rarely involved with public and private sector
> business talks in the UK, so the situation will probably never arise we are
> in the same board room.
>
> Stay in America and keep away from the UK is the best thing that could ever
> happen to you, because frankly meeting you would be a complete nightmare for
> me and I would find it hard to work with you on any meaningful level.
>
> One thing for sure is you have pissed me off with the way you speak to me
> via private email and your perceived perception of who I am, and what you
> think n3td3v is.
>
> Maybe in the beginning it seemed like disorganised non-sense to you, but it
> has evolved and shaped over the years with me and is now a serious force to
> be reckoned with and is able to compete with other consultancy orgainsations
> in the UK, now that there are serious consultants on board from the business
> and government sector in the UK, where we work on meaningful policy reform
> within organisations, to tighten security against foreign powers, terrorist
> attacks and other matters.
>
> To be perfectly honest, I would like to say, I think you've been reading
> mailing lists too much, a lot more goes on in industry than the stupid
> disclosure community, work actually gets done that is meaningful and
> satisfying when I come home at night.
>
> My advice to you is, stop reading mailing lists, get on with the physical
> industry and stop basing your views of people based on back and forward
> horse play people have have had between 2004-2009.
>
> That part of n3td3v is behind you, me and everyone, I removed the mailing
> list as a symbolic gesture to move on from that.
>
> I'm now a professional, consulting and liaising with other consultants in
> the UK in the public and private sector through the consortium, the
> consultants who ive had dealings with in the physical domain who have
> decided to join through knowing me in a working relationship.
>
> The organisation is nothing to do with what it might have been, n3td3v is
> rethought and matured, along with me.
>
> You couldn't possibly say the same orgainsation I started when I was 18 is
> going to be the same orgainsation today now that I'm 30, it isn't.
>
> I've changed, we've changed, the type of people I come into contact has
> changed through opportunities I've gained in the physical domain.
>
> n3td3v is very much nothing to do with anything online-based, but has
> shifted into the physical domain, in that, its people I actually know who I
> can shake hands with who are members.
>
> That is why the name was changed, the brand, its now a consortium, its
> nothing to do with online or some silly Google group mailing list.
>
> The beginning days of n3td3v between 2004-2009 and the Google group mailing
> list was used to push my name out into the industry to become known, you
> should be able to work with me in a meaningful working relationship if you
> ever had to through work commitments.
>
>
> Everyone else who I meet in the physical domain knows who I am, but they
> don't judge me for it, they shake my hand and move on with the problems in
> the industry that are needing solved.
>
> They don't say, that's Andrew who used to post in the disclosure community,
> let's huff and puff about it.
>
> They take me as I am in the physical domain, realise it was silly horse
> play from the past and move on.
>
> I hope you are able to do the same, because your attitude just annoys me
> that you cannot have a mature and professional approach in the way you talk
> with me.
>
> Andrew
>
>

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