Message-ID: <AANLkTi=VgG_ZPwSV4f3fFuf3ru5LHOB8ecH6-hb5TnjV@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:13:53 +0000
From: "Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]"
	<cal.leeming@...plicitymedialtd.co.uk>
To: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
Cc: "\"full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk\""
	<full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>,
	"Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu" <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu>,
	"andrew.wallace" <andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com>
Subject: Re: is FD moderated or not? (hint: ask n3td3v)

Andrew, I'm gonna tell you the same thing my girl tells me when I'm being
a cunt. You need a fucking slap. lol.

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>wrote:

> One question. Who's "you" that you keep referring to all the time?
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, andrew.wallace <
> andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thankfully you are very rarely involved with public and private sector
>> business talks in the UK, so the situation will probably never arise we are
>> in the same board room.
>>
>> Stay in America and keep away from the UK is the best thing that could
>> ever happen to you, because frankly meeting you would be a complete
>> nightmare for me and I would find it hard to work with you on any meaningful
>> level.
>>
>> One thing for sure is you have pissed me off with the way you speak to me
>> via private email and your perceived perception of who I am, and what you
>> think n3td3v is.
>>
>> Maybe in the beginning it seemed like disorganised non-sense to you, but
>> it has evolved and shaped over the years with me and is now a serious force
>> to be reckoned with and is able to compete with other consultancy
>> orgainsations in the UK, now that there are serious consultants on board
>> from the business and government sector in the UK, where we work on
>> meaningful policy reform within organisations, to tighten security against
>> foreign powers, terrorist attacks and other matters.
>>
>> To be perfectly honest, I would like to say, I think you've been reading
>> mailing lists too much, a lot more goes on in industry than the stupid
>> disclosure community, work actually gets done that is meaningful and
>> satisfying when I come home at night.
>>
>> My advice to you is, stop reading mailing lists, get on with the physical
>> industry and stop basing your views of people based on back and forward
>> horse play people have have had between 2004-2009.
>>
>> That part of n3td3v is behind you, me and everyone, I removed the mailing
>> list as a symbolic gesture to move on from that.
>>
>> I'm now a professional, consulting and liaising with other consultants in
>> the UK in the public and private sector through the consortium, the
>> consultants who ive had dealings with in the physical domain who have
>> decided to join through knowing me in a working relationship.
>>
>> The organisation is nothing to do with what it might have been, n3td3v is
>> rethought and matured, along with me.
>>
>> You couldn't possibly say the same orgainsation I started when I was 18 is
>> going to be the same orgainsation today now that I'm 30, it isn't.
>>
>> I've changed, we've changed, the type of people I come into contact has
>> changed through opportunities I've gained in the physical domain.
>>
>> n3td3v is very much nothing to do with anything online-based, but has
>> shifted into the physical domain, in that, its people I actually know who I
>> can shake hands with who are members.
>>
>> That is why the name was changed, the brand, its now a consortium, its
>> nothing to do with online or some silly Google group mailing list.
>>
>> The beginning days of n3td3v between 2004-2009 and the Google group
>> mailing list was used to push my name out into the industry to become known,
>> you should be able to work with me in a meaningful working relationship if
>> you ever had to through work commitments.
>>
>>
>> Everyone else who I meet in the physical domain knows who I am, but they
>> don't judge me for it, they shake my hand and move on with the problems in
>> the industry that are needing solved.
>>
>> They don't say, that's Andrew who used to post in the disclosure
>> community, let's huff and puff about it.
>>
>> They take me as I am in the physical domain, realise it was silly horse
>> play from the past and move on.
>>
>> I hope you are able to do the same, because your attitude just annoys me
>> that you cannot have a mature and professional approach in the way you talk
>> with me.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>
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